User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief

Astounding Beyond Belief

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

Y'all still need it? I can send you an epub version. I was told you guys were looking for it, I can send it over on discord.

just gonna leave this here and move on https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fcl99cueN3bbH8bvT9kIM7crpLbSBepU/view?usp=drive_link

That version does not have cut off letters

So uhhh, is this gonna continue to be ignored.

@Astounding Beyond Belief

Not something I really have interest in or time for right now, sorry.

Ok

Are these songs used in the end credits of the Japanese dubs?

Yeah, as far as I'm aware.

Have you seen the Japanese dubs of all the Monsterverse films?

No, just a TV edit of G14.

Does Kong Skull Island have Japanese tie-in song?

No, that started with KOTM

Hey ABB, it’s been a while. First of all, I hope you’re in good health.

I’m just typing this comment so that you (or anyone else who sees this) could clarify Sony’s current rights on certain Godzilla films. I know that Keith Aiken said that Sony’s rights to GvKG and GvM were up for renewal back in 2019 (and it seems like they just let them lapse) so I’m just doing some checking on the other films.

I checked the SciFi Japan thread cited next to that statement from GvKG and GvM’s pages and from the looks of it: GvMGII, GvSG, GvD, GxM and GMK as well Rebirth of Mothra I & II are up for renewal this year, 2023 (I’m assuming before December 31st). The rest of Sony’s rights appear to elapse in 2025 (though they don’t give specific dates for GxM, Tokyo SOS or Final Wars).

Just wanted to double check and make sure that all this info is accurate.

I haven't heard anything to the contrary about the films up for renewal in 2023/2025. We do need to clarify that Sony hasn't let all their rights to King Ghidorah and Mothra lapse, however, as they're both on Pluto TV via Sony Pictures Television.

Interesting, so it’s more of Sony’s home video and digital rental rights that lapse but they still have some streaming/digital distribution rights?

I don't know all the specifics, but that seems to be the case.

Hey man, I’m back. Just checked Pluto as well as godzilla.com, seems like GvKG and GvM are no longer available on there. GvSG also isn’t available for some reason, odd since the Sony Blu-Ray with GvMGII is still on the Godzilla website. I haven’t checked everywhere right now but, so far, it looks like Sony has finally lost all the rights, if not most, to both of these films. I’m guessing the rest of the Hesiei era is up next.

One holdout I found: Swank Motion Pictures still offers licensing for Godzilla vs. Mothra (but not King Ghidorah) via Columbia for libraries, college campuses, etc.

Wow, one of the last remnants of Sony’s clutches on this film. But of course it gets nearly everything wrong, like using the Classic Media DVD cover of MvG and then claiming it’s a sequel to said film. It’ll probably be gone in a few months, if not weeks.

There's some interesting stuff in there. They've got the first three Millennium films, but not the ones after that. You can show Gorath and The Human Vapor, which haven't been released on video since the VHS era, through MGM, and The Mysterians through Warner Bros.

The Mysterians through Warner Bros. and showings of Gorath and The Human Vapor? We sure that the site is up to date? Last I checked, Criterion have Mysterians while the prints for the US versions of Gorath and THV had deteriorated, the 83 minute runtime for Gorath matches Brenco’s original version of the film, though THV has a runtime of 79 minutes. Even The Last War is listed on there with its Japanese runtime.

I'm not sure about the non Godzilla films you've mentioned but it seems like I've heard a lot about Sony losing the rights to the Heisei Godzilla films as well. It's hard to separate what's factual versus what's just pure speculation. I thought I heard something about the first two Heisei films Return and Biollante (I know Sony never owned the rights to those) but it seemed like somehow Criterion got a hold of them and I think screened them both somewhere. I've also heard that Sony's rights to King Ghidorah and Mothra have expired and thought something was said that Criterion got those as well and the last three Heisei Mechagodzilla, Spacegodzilla and Destoroyah were still with them but an experation date for those was to follow soon as well. This is just stuff I've had to go on from sites such as Godzilla Movie forums.com and again I don't know how much of this is true and how much of it is just speculation.

Anyways, there's had been talks on a Heisei collection. I'd love it if that were true as I really did think the restoration job on Criterion's Show boxset but hated the cardboard coffee table packaging and the supplementary aside from the 1954 original wasn't that great and didn't cover all of the films. None the less it would be nice for once if Criterion or someone else could release a boxset of all seven Heisei films.

Janus/Criterion screened both TROG and Biollante at Alamo Drafthouse cinemas in 2021 as the Janus logo did appear before the very beginning of those films, so it’s likely that they have been in talks with Toho about acquiring the rest of the films. As for Sony, GvKG and GvM’s rights were up for renewal in 2019 and it appears that most of the rights for those films have expired now. As stated before, the rest of the Heisei era, GxM, GMK and the first two Rebirth of Mothra films were up for renewal in 2023 while the rest seem to be renewable in 2025.

A future Heisei and Millennium collection seems likely at this point. Given that the set would probably come out around 2025 Toho have enough time to release their TROG 4K remaster onto disc, which hopefully means that both 4K remasters for TROG and Biollante will be given to Criterion, but if Toho have not made any 4K versions for the rest of the films by that time and then released them on disc in Japan then it’s likely we’ll get the Hi-Vision masters for the rest of the films with some touch ups. It’s possible that we get more supplements this time around as the Heisei set would only have 7 films while a Millennium set would only have 6, unless Criterion merge the Heisei and Millennium series together in the same set.

I just hope we get all English dubs this time around, I hated how some of the films on the Showa set didn’t get their dubs, especially since the Criterion set is the only legal way to watch these films in the UK right now. Would really like to hear what that unreleased G2K Omni dub sounds like, hell I’d even like to get the “pre-repairs” dub of GvMGII. I hope they could potentially get the rights to G85 but that’s a whole legal mess, they’d probably get a higher chance of getting the US cuts of the Showa films, but then again the last time we heard about legal issues with G85 were around the Kraken release and a lot can change in just a few years.

Hey ABB! I found the sandbox for India made by Kaijuzill, and worked on it to add information and see if it could be completed. How does it look? And is it ready to be made a page?

I took care of this one for ya. Needed a couple minor touchups here and there but overall very nicely done! Keep up the good work!

Ah, thank you!

ive noticed every mention of great ape being removed and just replaced with "unidentified apes", wouldnt it be better to refer to them as great apes since that's what the movie calls them?, i also asked jarred if they had a species name and he said he didn't know.

I'm a bit confused about it all, so trying to straighten this out. Was that this reply you're talking about or another one?

That's it, the question above related to skar and it extended to suko and the others,

Here it is.

https://twitter.com/Throwawayyongry/status/1774958988410446157

@Keeri'ijra said that in the novelization, Ilene Andrews refers to all ape Titans as "Great Apes", and yeah it wound't make sense to introduce another kind of giant apes, but with Jared's answer, I'm really confused as well.

I'm hoping the artbook will give some clarification.

Jared said that "Great Apes" specifically refers to a different species or is it just that the Geat Apes under Skar's rule are different from the Kong-type of Great Apes?

He only said that they are not the same species after someone asked if Skar, Suko and the apes were supposed to be the same species as Kong

https://twitter.com/Throwawayyongry/status/1774958988410446157

File:Not the same species.png

So maybe Great Apes really is just a blanket term for ape-like Titans. Not overt confirmation, but maybe this will be less confusing than it currently seems.

It honestly does sound more like an umbrella term. I mean, we use the term “great apes” for the hominids (*like the extant gorillas, orangutans, chimps, bonobos, and humans*) with “lesser apes” referring to gibbons.

To me, the Iwi story that Ilene recounts sounds like it's contrasting the Titans and Great Apes. "Titans were the guardians of nature, and the Great Apes became the protectors of humanity." And from what I remember, Trapper refers to Kong as a Titan, so that could be support for Kong not being a Great Ape.

I can't imagine "Great Ape" as being the actual name for that species, just an umbrella term to refer to them, since they're, well, great apes. It's not like Ilene could have instantly known their proper name, or that the Iwi are suited to give animals common names (like, they called Godzilla "Zo-zla-halawa". Great name 👍).

Some Chinese posts identifies them as "King Kong's clan" or "King Kong's people" ( it appears to have different translations (?) )

https://www.douyin.com/video/7354204814831570176

https://weibo.com/7063039516/O6CeJz6x3

https://weibo.com/6109987426/O93pSDxFr

This could be helpful, but I don’t think "King Kong's clan" or "King Kong's people" is meant to indicate that they are actually specimens of Kong’s kind, but rather that they are his people since he’s become their new leader.

NEW INFO!

If it was translated correctly, this official Japanese site does said that the Great Apes are the same kind of Titans as Kong

https://natalie.mu/eiga/pp/godzilla-movie2024

https://ogre.natalie.mu/media/pp/godzilla-movie2024/godzilla-movie2024_relation-6.jpg?imwidth=1200&imdensity=1

For what it's worth, this isn't "the official site" (that would be Godzilla-Movie.jp). The introduction just makes it sound like it's something Eiga Natalie is publishing on their own; all of the text is written by Hyouri Takahashi, who is a musician and Godzilla fan. I'd take Krichevsky's word in this case.

A bit out of the subject but, the title sequence seems to confirm they are Titans

https://twitter.com/DinoKaiju1227/status/1781091494796960130

Okay, that's great. After all, the Skar King and Suko are Titans.

I made a sandbox for Here We Go, but it's been brought to my attention that it might not fit Wikizilla's scope. Would it be valid for a page?

We don't have formal rules for songs yet, but the guideline MechaniKongZilla mentioned is largely what we've followed in making pages for songs. I don't think it's necessary to have pages for preexisting songs that were simply licensed for use in media we cover, although you could add the song ID to GvK's soundtrack page.

So I've been looking around, and I can't find any evidence of Here We Go being created before GvK. The artist, Chris Classic, has also made songs just for films (Speedin' for the film Turbo). As near as I can figure, it was made just FOR GvK.

It was uploaded to YouTube on 9/30/19, the same year the WWE used it for a pay-per-view event.

Well, there's the kicker. Should the sandbox be deleted?

'Fraid so.

I just discovered it on Twitter https://x.com/micaholic1981/status/1780389143841051000?s=46&t=zaSat5wR1Sd68BlvTNUWMw

Hello ABB, hope you've been doing well. I have a question. (well, two actually) Have you heard of a magazine I saw called King Kong Vs. Godzilla: When Worlds Collide? Do you have any information on it?

I've seen this in a magazine rack at least once, but haven't bought it. A360 Media is the publisher. You can see a few preview pages here.

Thanks!

Hello again ABB, sorry if this comes across as annoying, so this will be my last attempt at getting you to see my request. Could you please read this message? Thanks.

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Topic:Y2q7kmy7md74ntgi

At this point, yeah, it's getting annoying. I've barely had any time to edit the site in recent days and the pages have been my priority.

Do you have any formatting tips for the G-FAN page? I'm not too sure where to go with it, as it doesn't seem we have any other pages that cover a continous magazine.

I'd have a table listing each issue's cover, numbering, and date, preceded by an overview section talking about common article types and notable contributors.

So I'm currently creating the table, but there is one oddity. The G-FAN website does not give an exact release date, just what appears to be the months of running time (or in more egregious cases entire seasons). Would it be fine to keep it like that? I ask because I do not know that there is any source that is actually correct, all that I've found so far (none of which have more than half of the issues) don't match with the months or even years given on the actual website.

Yeah, I'm not aware of any specific release dates for the magazine; you can just go with what's provided on the official site. G-Fan was originally bimonthly, then switched to a seasonal publication schedule.

Got it.

Hey ABB! I have been working on this sandbox for Alaska, and I think it might be ready to promote to a page now, so I was going to see if it gets the thumbs up. How does it look?

Looks mostly good, though it needs a round of proofreading throughout the article and some clarification in the Godzilla 2000 section, as the summary there never actually mentions Alaska. Are there any specifics on where Rodan emerges?

Ah, good call. For the plot on Godzilla 2000 page, it did not seem to give where specifically Rodan emerged in Alaska, but it did mention Alaska as the general place of emergence. I'll be sure to see about getting more details and proofreading. Thank you so much!

I looked for information on the book as well and found these excerpts from the book: https://bookreadfree.com/286659/7062751 and https://bookreadfree.com/286659/7062755. It looks like it was not Alaska where Rodan awakens, but the shaman was in Ninunak, Alaska, and foretold Rodan's awakening before Rodan appears there. Should I add this information to the section and/or cite it?

Sure, anything that happens in Alaska in media we cover is fair game.

Awesome, thank you!

Did a little check through the article, changed all parts to past tense and added to the section for Godzilla 2000. Does it look good, and are there any changes that I should make?

Hey ABB, I messaged you a while ago to ask you to add a few stuff to the news template.