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Marvel taglines

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Les (talkcontribs)

If you want to, the taglines for the Marvel Godzillas should probably be in a {{Quote}} template above the opening statement instead of in trivia.

E.g. "His Mightiest Challenge Ever!"/"Here Comes Yetrigar! The Biggest Big Foot of them All!" becomes:

His Mightiest Challenge Ever!
Here Comes Yetrigar! The Biggest Big Foot of them All!
 

— The issue's taglines

Otherwise I can do them.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Yes, thank you! If you could do that, that would be great! Please see if you can also find any I might have missed and keep me posted.

Les (talkcontribs)

Alright, I updated all of them.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

Final warning

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The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

You are clearly not listening to any feedback I have been giving you about your edits. I continue to need to comb through dozens of your edits to undo your attempts to standardize things sitewide without consulting anyone and oftentimes after being told not to do so. None of your edits consist of actually adding information, they are entirely just changing formatting and wording of things, often without any logical reason. You have admitted that you were banned from Wikipedia before, and if you did the same things there that you do here I can see why. This is your last warning. The next time I see you mass-change something you have specifically been warned not to change, you will be blocked.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

What's wrong with putting in a reference to the subject of the IDW version of Monster Island/the Monster Islands? That way people can look it up easily wherever they go. I don't see why you're making such a big stink about nothing. Why, when I put qoutes on all the IDW and Dark Horse comics' descriptions, do you accept it, and then complain about something as minor as this? Believe me, no one cares but you. I think this is obviously a perfect case of the pot calling the kettle black. It specifically says on the main page if anything needs fixing, you can fix it. As I said, all I was doing was placing a reference to a subject in the IDW Comics' mainstream Godzilla story line wherever it was needed in the three series. Why do I have to ask permission for that - or anything else, for that matter? Please, give me one good reason why I'm wrong here. I've done references before since the last warning you gave me and you never said anything until now. In fact, did you even look at what the references were before you deleted them/ Next time, please ask first before jumping to conclusions. I say what I did was a help, not a hinderance.

Btw, the Minette and Mallory reference in Godzilla: Kingdom of Monsters is called "Minette and Mallorie" every time it's listed (I didn't do this; it was already there, so please, blame the person who screwed it up instead of me), so I changed it to refer to the right spelling so it wouldn't have to redirect all the time. You're welcome.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

If you pay attention, you'd notice that I do not undo any edits you make that are approved changes or simple grammar/syntax fixes. However, you tend to edit dozens of pages at once and make countless unapproved changes that you have been repeatedly warned to stop making, that other staff and I are forced to parse through. For instance, I have told you to stop adding "the" in front of entries on bulleted lists countless times, yet you continue to do it. If you unilaterally decide you want to change something on every single page on the site, you should probably run it by staff first before doing it and then throwing a fit when I undo it. Your flippant attitude about my warnings is not helping your case either.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

What about the Monster Island/Monster Islands references? They're not wrong. Can I please put them back, or is that verbotten, too?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

There is no reason to link to a specific section on the Monster Island page on all of the IDW comic pages. It would be like having [[Godzilla#IDW Comics|Godzilla]] on those pages as well.

Les (talkcontribs)

You've been given about twenty final chances already, but the next time you arbitrarily change the spelling or capitalization of every instance of something on a page without asking anybody, you're getting banned for real. It's getting beyond ridiculous.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I did what I did because, in a scientific name, specific names aren't capitalized, only generic names. Everyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge knows this. Properly speaking, it's T-rex and V-rex; no capital "R". And another thing: it was a "family group of three V-rexes", so why change that? No one in the scientific world calls a young animal a "youth", it would be a "young one" (the term "youth" is only used for people), Skull Island reptiles#Unnamed carnivore is capitalized because that's the way it is in the list itself (just look it up and you'll see it is) and what's wrong with "the official tie-in game to the 2005 film"? One wouldn't know that by looking at it the way it's written now.

Besides, there's a few examples of the name V-rex in that same article that aren't spelled with a capital "R". They're in Books (King Kong (2005)) and Comics (King Kong: The 8th Wonder of the World). Does this mean they have to be changed, too? Btw, these two sections do V-rex correctly and everything else in this article doesn't. That's why I did all this.

And btw, where exactly does it say in the rules of this website that one has to ask someone in charge to do what was done here? Please show me this, as I feel like I'm back in high school again and I have to ask for a hall pass just to go to the bathroom. I also honestly feel like I'm being singled out for no particular reason other than the sake of doing so. I feel this isn't fair and that I'm doing no harm to anyone, not even you guys. If anyone else did this, I'll bet anything you'd let them do it. This whole thing, I think, is a obvious case of nit-picking, nothing more.

Les (talkcontribs)
I did what I did because, in a scientific name, specific names aren't capitalized, only generic names. Everyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge knows this. Properly speaking, it's T-rex and V-rex; no capital "R".

This is simply not true. If you had a "modicum" of scientific knowledge, you'd know the abbreviated form of Tyrannosaurus rex is "T. rex" with a period and lower-case R. "T-Rex" is common parlance that doesn't strictly follow binomial naming conventions, so the R is often capitalized. It's even written that way in the Wikipedia article for the species. You could confirm this if you took two seconds to Google it, but you would rather sass me and flaunt your bloated sense of self-importance. Not to mention that we're talking about a fictional dinosaur, whose name should be dictated by the people that created it. There are quotes in the article where it is clearly spelled "V-Rex."

And another thing: it was a "family group of three V-rexes", so why change that? No one in the scientific world calls a young animal a "youth", it would be a "young one" (the term "youth" is only used for people), Skull Island reptiles#Unnamed carnivore is capitalized because that's the way it is in the list itself (just look it up and you'll see it is) and what's wrong with "the official tie-in game to the 2005 film"? One wouldn't know that by looking at it the way it's written now.

When you click the "rollback" button, it reverses the whole burst of changes made by a person. When you publish tens of edits in a row, over half of them entirely useless and arbitrary, it is far easier to just roll the whole thing back and start from scratch.

Besides, there's a few examples of the name V-rex in that same article that aren't spelled with a capital "R". They're in Books (King Kong (2005)) and Comics (King Kong: The 8th Wonder of the World). Does this mean they have to be changed, too?

...yes. I don't know why on Earth you would come to the conclusion that the way it's spelled the minority of times is the way it should be on the entire article. It being capitalized inconsistently is an error, but your solution was to come to a wild conclusion about how it ought to be written that isn't even accurate to the way the filmmakers stylize it.

And btw, where exactly does it say in the rules of this website that one has to ask someone in charge to do what was done here?

I think these two policies describe the situation pretty well:

  • Wikizilla:Civility - "Civility is a standard of conduct that editors should follow. In short, it means treat people politely and with respect even if you are disagreeing with them. [...] Uncivil behavior consists of any behavior designed or intended to create stress or conflict. [...] Disruptive editing is closely related to not being civil, although it is possible to edit tendentiously without being uncivil."
  • Wikizilla:Edit warring - "Situations will inevitably arise where editors have differing views about some aspect of a page's content. When this happens, editors are strongly encouraged to engage in civil discussion to reach a consensus, and not to try to force their own position by combative editing[.]"

Our job as moderators is to maintain the site's pages and reverse edits that are harmful or unhelpful. When you repeatedly make these types of edits that you are told time and time again not to, refuse to fact-check anything you add or change and then end up apologizing for not knowing, and get mouthy with us when we tell you that punishments will be levied against you, there doesn't need to be one rule to spell out that that's a problem. You can protest all you'd like, but I'm telling you the next time it happens, you're out of here.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Then if if I'm not wanted here, please delete my username and account effective immediately and I'll go away and never come back, if that's what you'd like.

Les (talkcontribs)

What I'd like is for you to make constructive edits that consist of more than pedantically changing spelling and grammar in a bid to make everything sound more "distinguished." If you have actual content to add to the pages, then be my guest. Attitude aside, I have no problem with you personally, I have a problem with the way you engage with the site.

Missing Toho kaiju film

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I've got a Toho kaiju film that should be put in here: The Phoenix (1978).

If anyone wants more info, Toho Kingdom has an article on it in their Movies section.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Thats not a kaiju film.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Okay. I was under the impression that the Phoenix (which, surprisingly, was an anime creature in an otherwise live action film, IIRC) could be considered a kaiju, since it is literaly, a "strange beast" - which, I guess, is what "kaiju" means.

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

Actually, the Phoenix is more like Kaibutsu (Strange Creature) than Kaijū. Kaibutsu is the Japanese umbrella term for monster, while Kaijū encompass certain kind of Monsters.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Information on this movie online is pretty lacking (Toho Kingdom's page on the Phoenix itself has been empty for as long as I can remember), which does not point to it being super relevant to us. We can't hope to cover every movie by the major Japanese studios that have some sort of monster in them, and this Phoenix appears to be tiny. But somebody should probably watch it and report back.

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

I could try to work on the page sometime, I am familiar to the film. I just need to muster the motivation to write ✍️

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

I would consider any film that is mentioned in a Godzilla relevant book to be relevant to this Wiki. But that doesn’t always equal to manpower. But I could try to work out some of those pages when I can.

Les (talkcontribs)

We're currently in the midst of deliberating on what non-Godzilla Toho films should be fair game. The way it's going, I don't think The Phoenix will count.

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

Oh, I see, but Reiko still counts? So not every film included in Godzilla relevant books count on this wiki?

Les (talkcontribs)

Reiko would probably fall outside the scope if we move forward with the current rules we're thinking of.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Im concerned about this honestly

Specifically about Cloverfield and Rampage

Im aware they are not Toho Films but the respective Wikis they are on dont do a good job covering these films or monsters at all

And i feel many of us have grown use to them being here and dont want to see them go along with some other non toho/kadokawa japanese kaiju films here and foreign films.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I dont want any kaiju or kaijin films removed.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I error

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Why is "But my monster size" even an arguement anymore we got tons of Toho/Kadokawa/Daiei films where the monsters are not even giant (or in tohos case no monsters at all)

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)
BoopN00dle (talkcontribs)

I remember someone said that an old article by toho said it was in the showa continuity of Godzilla films, but I don't remember who said that.

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

Are you sure didn’t mean the Godzilla canon? Canon and Continuity are very different, but often confused.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It's a jidaigeki, so that's very unlikely

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)
Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Wow! When I suggested this film, I didn't know that this would happen. I'd like to see how this'll turn out.

One question: the Toho Kingdom article said that The Phoenix was released in the U.S. in 1979 by Toho International. Did it get a very wide release in this country or not?

Mahayana-60 (talkcontribs)

I’m from Taiwan, and was born after 1979, I don’t know.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Thanks anyway. Does anyone else know anything about this?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

I'm getting tired of having to tell you this. Why are all of your edits these obsessive systematic mass-"corrections" of pages? It is getting absolutely ridiculous having to comb through dozens of consecutive edits to undo the nonsensical or incorrect things you have changed while preserving the minor spelling and grammar corrections. I do not understand why all of your edits are like this, and why you still refuse to change anything after repeated warnings from several users. You act like you are "correcting" things when you are just needlessly complicating the phrasing of certain things to make them sound more intelligent. Or in some cases you are actively making things incorrect. For example, the plural of "Meganulon" is just "Meganulon," and I would appreciate it if you stopped adding an "s."

Pointless edits

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The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Again, I am begging you to think before you edit. The majority of your edits are completely arbitrary or meaningless (changing all uses of "American" to "U.S.," adding or removing articles like 'the,' eliminating the use of synonyms for words). Why are you doing this, especially after being asked to stop repeatedly? There is nothing wrong with making grammatical and spelling fixes, but you are mixing those productive edits with dozens of nonsensical changes that you insist on implementing sitewide. Your edits are becoming increasingly bizarre and unhelpful, and I am asking you to please change the nature of your edits.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

I am serious. You continue doing this and will not listen to anyone. Some of your edits are completely pointless and you keep making them. You seem obsessed with removing all synonyms of words (replacing all mentions of "movie" with "film") and are attempting to change the site's standards for how certain words with multiple spellings are spelled. In some cases you are even changing direct quotes to be more grammatically correct. Will you please acknowledge the staff's concerns for once, or are you going to keep doing this until we block you?

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I feel I must reply to this.

  • First, I feel that "film" is more distinguished than "movie" in most, if not all, cases.
  • Second, I don't mess with quotes. When I see a quote, I leave it alone.
  • Third, my edits are mostly spelling, grammatical, and punctuation typos.
  • Fourth, everyone else seems to appreciate what I'm doing, so what are you complaining for? The way I look at it, no one's raising a ruckus or making a stink about this except you.

Let me give you an example. The grammatically correct terms for the two vehicles that MOGUERA can divide into are the Land Moguera and the Star Falcon (the latter being a similar term to the Millennium Falcon from the Star Wars saga). I've seen them both referred to elsewhere with that article. Yet when I tried to fix it, someone kept saying it wasn't right. Now, if Toho uses no "the" for both of them, then I'll follow Toho's advice. I called the flying vehicle in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II by its proper term, the Garuda, and no one complained, so why complain about these two?

Here's another example. The proper name for opne of the kaiju in Terror of Mechagodzilla is Mechagodzilla 2, yet when I added that to the section on that film in the Mechagodzilla article, I got jumped on immediately.

Both of these don't seem right.

Les (talkcontribs)

For what it's worth, the dub of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II uses "the Garuda" while Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla does not put "the" in front of Star Falcon or Land Moguera. I would argue Land Moguera and Star Falcon are more mech-like than the Garuda, so it would be comparable to saying "the Mechagodzilla."

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

It doesn't matter if a term is "more distinguished," if it's a proper synonym, it can still be there. We use "film" consistently in certain contexts, but there's no reason to remove any mention of "movie."

Yes, most of your edits are corrections to grammar and spelling, but they are mixed in with nonsensical edits like the ones I keep complaining to you about. So people like me have to sift through the pages to remove things that shouldn't have been changed.

You have been getting multiple complaints about your edits from many editors and even staff members beside me. In fact, I didn't start addressing your edits until very recently.

There is no "grammatically correct" term for the vehicles. In Japanese there are no articles so we technically can't say for sure if the intention is for them to have an article before their names or not. So it's kind of inconsistent across the board. Generally we go by whether English dubs and translations use the articles or not. Star Falcon and Land Moguera are never referred to with "the" in any English translation I've seen, so systematically going through the pages and adding "the" to every single mention is enough grounds for removal unless Toho or someone outright says the article is supposed to be there.

Yes, the 1975 Mechagodzilla is officially designated "Mechagodzilla 2," but constantly referring to him by that title is unneccessarry. In dialogue, he is only ever called "Mechagodzilla," and just saying "Mechagodzilla" in the article after initially stating that he is called Mechagodzilla 2 is enough. Your edits were also reverted because you kept removing any mention of Mechagodzilla 2 being rebuilt to make it sound like it and the 1974 version are completely different robots.

My major problem with your edits is that you seem to take it upon yourself to standardize practically everything on the wiki, removing synonyms for words, changing phrasing of certain terms in every single instance, and overall just being needlessly pedantic. In the past you have tried removing all contractions, which is completely ridiculous. You also keep insting on adding subtitles to all mentions of certain monsters for some reason.

Other staff members, including myself, have warned you repeatedly and you just keep on ignoring us. I am perfectly happy with you fixing grammar and spelling across the site, but I'm tired of having to sift through dozens of consecutive edits on pages to remove things you've added that are unneccessary.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I never said that Mechagodzilla and Mechagodzilla 2 were the same robot or removed any references to it being rebuilt. Quite the contrary, I know they're two separate robots and I knew that it had rebuilt. In fact, I was the one who pointed out (based on a statement I saw and read in the Godzilla cover article from Fangoria #1) that the second robot was even more powerful than the original; it's not me removing those references. I'd never do that and I know I didn't; that must've been someone else. Btw, I removed all but two of the "2"s in the Terror of Mechagodzilla section of the Mechagodzilla article, so I hope that's all right.

Silver King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

You're missing the point of what I said. The original articles were clear that Mechagodzilla 2 was simply the rebuilt version of the 1974 Mechagodzilla. What you did was remove mentions of him being rebuilt to make it sound like they were completely separate unrelated robots.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Let me repeat what I just said: I never did that! I know what I edited before, and that wasn't one of them! I know it wasn't! In fact, I looked through two whole pagas of History and didn't see one post that says I did what you said. You'd better have proof of this, because I don't like being blamed for a crime I didn't commit.

Silver King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)
Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

What I said was that Mechagodzilla 2 was being built, as in being built from the remains of the original. I'm sorry you didn't see it that way. Why do I fell that have to spell everything out for everyone now? That was clear as a bell. Surely you must've seen it .

Silver King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Because saying "Mechagodzilla was rebuilt" is factually correct. There's no reason to remove all mentions of that.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

All right, I'm sorry. You're right and I'm wrong.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Can you please stop making so many trivial edits to pages such as the Godzilla page right now? I don't really know how to describe what is wrong with your edits, but you seem to be pedantically and pointlessly rewording and replacing phrases. You are not making anything more correct, and in some cases you are actively adding incorrect information. Please stop and think before making 30+ consecutive edits that add nothing of substance and only rephrase things for no reason.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

he has been told this multiple times by other admins btw.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

You clearly aren't listening to me because you immediately resumed doing what I told you not to do. If this continues we will be forced to begin either locking pages or temporarily disabling you from editing.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Please stop pointlessly removing the word "the" en masse from every mention of "the Earth." It is not incorrect to use an article when referring to Earth, and removing all instances of this is completely pointless.

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

Burton Helzer's flashback

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Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

My edit summary disappeared, so I'll restate it here: I've gone through Godzilla, King of the Monsters #0 and Godzilla: Age of Monsters twice now, and I don't see any difference between them besides the latter being in black and white. What differences have you found?

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I thought some illustrations had been added to the Godzilla: Age of Monsters version. I seem to remember an introductory full-page picture in the trade paperback that I don't think was in Godzilla, King of the Monsters #0; however, if you say they're the same, that's okay.

Can you please provide images from both of them for me just to make sure? It's been a long time since I've read them. Thanks!

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Here's both versions of the two-page spread:

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I meant that the full-page picture was one page at the beginning of the flashback scene in Godzilla, Age of Monsters. The flashback scene, IIRC, had slightly different content in both that book and Godzilla, King of the Monsters #0.

Could you please show me the complete flashback scenes from both of them? That way I can see whether they're the same or not. Thanks!

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I would rather not make that many scans. Burden of proof's on you to show how they're different - I went through the entire comic just for the heck of it while making those two images and still didn't see anything. What you're describing would be pretty obvious.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Okay, if you say they're the same, then I'll take your word for it.

Mistake in Category:Toy lines

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Someone needs to fix something in Category:Toy lines. Revoltech needs to be in its own section "R", not in "T".

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Huh?

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

I don't know why Revoltech is in the T section it can't be edited I'm sorry.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

What is a T section?

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

Under the T section in the alphabetical listing of toy lines, Revoltech is listed under T instead of R.

Les (talkcontribs)

I removed the category from the page... but it didn't actually remove it, and just fixed the alphabetization. Weird bug.

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

Mabey it's a template on the article with the category?

Les (talkcontribs)

Nevermind, I figured it out. If you put a second parameter in the Category link, it tells the category how to alphabetize it. So [[Category:Toy Lines|Godzilla Collection]] on the "The Godzilla Collection" page would put The Godzilla Collection in Category:Toy Lines under the G section (since "Godzilla Collection" starts with G).

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Thanks, Les. I really appreciate this.