Topic on User talk:Les

What's the reason for your revert?

Most of what you're adding about drafts of earlier movies seems pretty speculative and at times plainly off-topic. I could see mentioning the thing about Shima being planned for Guardian of the Universe, but the size-changing for example has nothing to do with Avant Gamera.

Astounding Beyond Belief allowed those edits back then.

What's wrong with adding those trivia? Would you please keep it, at least hidden? If Astounding Beyond Belief also agrees with removing those, I will accept.

I felt like the Shima part was starting to ramble on. The Daidarabotchi mention comes out of nowhere and I frankly don't think it's very interesting if there's no confirmation of it being intentional. And at least GGotU was going to have Gyaos explicitly in Shima, unlike the G3 idea where it's just nearby. I'd like this kind of trivia to be more focused, instead of a series of vaguely-related statements.

Avant Gamera's article is rather small in size, and I don't think there is a problem to expand it with trivia. In Japan, the relationship between Shima and the folklore of Daidarabotchi is actually famous to be featured in several animes such as Manga Nippon Mukashibanashi, a renowned anime in Japan. If you feel it becoming rambling on, how about summarizing it and make it shorten as much as possible?

What about the size of Gamera in the original script of GotU? Gamera and Gyaos were clearly mentioned to be egg-sized, giant tortoise-sized, 8 meters, and 20 meters or more, all corresponding to that of Toto and Original Gyaos. Personality, and the relationship between two Gamera(s) are also similar to the depiction in the Brave, and I feel these are worth noting.

Astounding Beyond Belief also approved the changes in colorations of Gamera and Gyaos back then.

The comparison between Toto's sizes and the planned sizes of Gamera in GotU is reasonable, but again, what does that have to do with Avant?

As for the Gamera vs. Phoenix mention, I would be astounded if the makers of the Brave were thinking about that book when making it, and even just as an observation, "both of these things have two Gameras whose relationship isn't explained" is very weak IMO.

Also, I haven't looked at Gamera's and Gyaos' coloration very closely, but if that trivia item stays, it needs to explain in more detail.

Avant is adult, and I think it has a point because grown sizes of Gamera and Gyaos in the planned script of GotU were also depicted to be rather "completed" forms.

I added more details about coloration.

In case if you haven't checked yet, these are descriptions about the size in the novelization.

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/File:Toto_and_Avant_Gamera_Size_Desciption_2.jpeg https://wikizilla.org/wiki/File:Toto_and_Avant_Gamera_Size_Desciption_1.jpeg

Would you mind writing out the quotes and how you would translate them? Context of the scenes would also help my understanding.

"鎖を引きちぎり、スックと立っているガメラの体は、三十メートルはあろうかという大きさに成長していた。" "Gamera teared off chains, and stands up straight, and he grew up to about 30 meters in height."

"まだ三十三年前のガメラには足りない大きさだったが" "His size still falls short behind the Gamera of 33 years ago."

"やはりあの大きさではまともに戦っても無理か" "After all, that size (of Gamera) is still insufficient to fight against (Zedus)."

Sorry, it's getting a bit busy here, and I can't reply soon.