Topic on User talk:Titanollante

I've already asked another admin this, but what happened when you guys left the old Wiki (now Gojipedia). I asked the people over there, and I just wanna get both sides. You made the original announcement, so I'm assuming you would know really well. I'm just curious about it all.

Hey, apologies for a late reply, but here's the honest truth from my perspective.

Back when we were planning to move away from Wikia (now Fandom), we renamed the site to "Kaijupedia" and deleted any pages related to non-kaiju media in what was less than elegantly called a "firebombing." The purpose was to prevent the old site from being mistaken for the new one, and to allow the new site to have exclusive content. That was over six years ago now, and none of us stand by that decision anymore. However, I can tell you it had absolutely no impact on Gojipedia. Any "damage" we did was immediately reverted by Wikia itself, and a new staff team were allowed to take over. All of the pages from Godzilla.wikia.com that were ported to Wikizilla.org were done so while the site was still under our jurisdiction, and many of them had been written by us to begin with. Not to mention, almost any page you look at on the site today will not be the same as it was six years ago.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not plagiarism to move our own work to a new location, as has been done by numerous wikis who've split off from corporate hosting services. There is a long line of precedent for this, perhaps most famously TFWiki who cut ties with Wikia all the way back in 2008 and received mainstream media attention in doing so. As Fandom's empire has expanded, including the acquisition of Gamepedia, it's becoming more and more common (see: Terraria.wiki.gg forking from Terraria.fandom.com, Zeldapedia.wiki forking from Zelda.fandom.com, so on and so forth). Wikia's increasingly invasive ads and user-unfriendly practices are what forced our hand at a split.

I ultimately don't really care what Gojipedia does, but there is very real plagiarism from our site that gets added there occasionally and isn't reverted until one of our own staff members complains about it. And even then it seems like their staff think we shouldn't be allowed to complain at all because we "stole" pages from a website they didn't own and that the majority of them did not join until years later. All in all, we're really proud of the progress we've made, and what happened in 2016 is not representative of how we feel or operate now. Whatever path Gojipedia takes is up to them, but any notion that we've ever tried to sabotage them is a bold-faced lie.

Ah, I see. That makes a bit more sense now. A bet a lot of the petty stuff stems from some of the few people believing that you were forcing them to relocate when they didn't want to. Especially with how it was worded. But you guys are doing good work over here. Thanks again.

Edit: It probably wasn't the best idea to delete things though. It did make you guys have better information by default, but it would result in some people just not trusting the new place. An all of a sudden fork to a whole new site would be surprising and people would probably need eased into it. But hey, what would I know, I wasn't there.

As a resident of Gojipedia, Les, I’m quite annoyed with the actions Gojipedia has done as much as I am to the fact I can’t pick a side. Either way, both options are quite terrible. I’m just going to say that I am sorry for the recent drama.

It's appreciated. I realize the fury directed at me and Wikizilla generally as of late mostly comes from a few individuals in the mod team—but they should realize it reflects poorly on the entire site.

I respect your opinion and appreciate the condolences. Frankly I don't see how "both options are terrible", but I'm of course inherently biased. From what I've seen, all ABB has done is defend himself against an obsessive year-long thread calling him horrible names and accusing him of vandalizing the site to make us look better (which is a complete fabrication). I don't have any ill will toward Gojipedia itself or its users, I just think this whole thing was a pretty pathetic display from its staff that was completely uncalled for.

The only reason the whole thing started was because ABB asked the mods to ban a serial plagiarist a year ago. We don't tolerate stolen content being added here, and all we've ever hoped is that Gojipedia would do the same, especially when it's our own content being stolen. Do they let plagiarism slide wholesale? Maybe not. But any time we've ever called out plagiarism on their site, it's because it was allowed to stay there for weeks, months, or close to years at a time before we pointed it out. I'm not claiming the staff are the ones doing the plagiarism, nor that plagiarists are representative of the majority of that community, but it's simply ridiculous for a request pointing out obvious wrongdoing to be responded to with namecalling and conspiracy. That's all I really have to say on the matter. I'm sure the Gojipedia community are perfectly fine people. This situation was just gross.

Well, even though that is certainly true, there are people that take advantages of the fact Wiki’s (such as this one itself) let anybody with an account (Or in Fandom, anybody) edit. Any person with copied work from here will probably bring it to Gojipedia thinking they can get away with it. We have luckily had our content moderator help with this, but it’s just a notation that something’s can’t be stopped. (Yes, I know staff can lock pages.) Like I said earlier, I’m quite sorry.