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I have a question about something I have been wondering about for some time now. Many people through internet sources claim that the Showa Godzilla Timeline goes like this.

1.       Godzilla

2.      Godzilla Raids Again

3.      Rodan

4.      Mothra

5.      King Kong vs. Godzilla

6.      Mothra vs. Godzilla

7.       Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster

8.      Invasion of the Astro-Monsters

9.      Ebirah: Horror of the Deeo

10.  Son of Godzilla

11.  Godzilla vs. Hedorah

12.  Godzilla vs. Gigan

13.  Godzilla vs. Megalon

14.  Zone Fighter

15.  Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

16.  Terror of Mechagodzilla

17.  Destroy all Monsters

Do have any idea what Toho sources any fan could be drawing from to state this?

We have a longer list of films for the Showa Godzilla timeline on our List of Godzilla film continuities page, with sources attached.

Hey, thanks for your reply, I might have to look into that Godzilla dictionary from 2014, it looks like it might be helpful. So, I do have a few more questions timeline wise to ask, I hope you don't mind. They mainly regard King Ghidorah, Gigan and Megalon, (they're my top 3 favorite villains from the Showa Era by the way and 3 of some of my favorite kajiu altogether) some in which I was wondering since I was a kid and still wonder about to this day.

1.  Are King Ghidorah, Gigan and Megalon related to each other? “Because all three of them have a lot in common. Like for example, they all have an entrance through these diamonds, Ghidorah's is red and when it goes off he appears through a red silhouette, while Gigan's is blue and smoke comes out of it as he appears then, as for Megalon I know he lives below the surface mind you, but he also has a blue diamond, when the Seatopian king calls for him it turns red briefly but then back to blue and then there's like an expulsion and his entrance is identical to when it goes off and then he appears. Plus, Gigan teamed up with King Ghidorah in Vs. Gigan and with Megalon in Vs. Megalon. Though, they've never shown King Ghidorah and Megalon working together you can't help but get the idea they're also connected and each other's allies as well since they all have the same mind sets in common which includes a common hatred for Godzilla. So did Toho intend to make them like three symbolic evil brothers?”

2.  How is Gigan created? “They never give him a backstory did he always belong to Nebula Space Hunter M, is he to them, like Megalon is to the Seatopians? Ghidorah has a backstory when he's first introduced as being an evil three headed dragon intended to wipe out life on every planet and is basically labeled as a planet killer, while Megalon appears to be the polar opposite of Mothra in almost every aspect. In some ways I find it hard to believe Space Hunter M has that same relationship with Gigan, because they had to mind control him along with Ghidorah, to make their plan work, but when it failed, he acted on his own freewill, but is then implied to be with them again when Megalon needs help.”

3.  “I know this sounds really stupid, but I found this bizarre conspiracy theory, that the Ghidorah from Vs. Gigan and Zone Fighter is not the same as the one in the 60's films, which doesn't make any sense. Never once in either film\show does it state that it's not the same Ghidorah, everyone already knows who he is. I mean the only difference to me is not within continuity, but in film making. His suit looks very different he looks shorter, skinner and thinner and also his roars sound different in the 70's than they do in the 60's, but at least you hear the same roars mixed in in Gigan, but you only can hear the different ones in ZF.” Anyways, again I know this sounds stupid to ask but it's the same Ghidorah not a different one, correct? because saying there's two doesn't make any sense and makes everything sound very confusing.

4.  In addition to that, people keep saying Gigan, died in ZF, died in ZF, died in ZF. I get it, I get he's dead, but is Ghidorah dead? If Gigan's gone for good after that, then what does that mean for Ghidorah? He survived the events of the show but does this mean in DAM when Godzilla and all of his friends take him out in DAM that he's dead as well and can't come back ever again either? If it really takes place after all the 70’s events and if he lived through ZF. Again, I know he looks and sounds different but it just really doesn't make sense that there's two.

5.  And final question, would this Megalon is still be alive in the timeline since he survived being defeated by Godzilla and Jet Jaguar and is never shown or mentioned again?

1. Besides teaming up with each other, no. Megalon is the guardian of Seatopia, Ghidorah is an alien of unknown origin, and Gigan is a space dinosaur that was wrangled and cyborgized by the Nebulans. They definitely have no species relation, and they don't really seem to have a relation of locality either.
2. See first answer. I don't believe the Nebulans have any special connection to Gigan, he is essentially just depicted as their pawn.
3. It's not a conspiracy theory per se, there are numerous Japanese books which split the Showa Ghidorah into two characters (including Godzilla Dictionary). However, we choose not to believe it, both because there are also sources which disagree with it, and because it seems to misunderstand the continuity (see next answer).
4. Yes, by the end of DAM, both Gigan and Ghidorah are dead. That movie is set at the end of the 20th century, as the dialogue states, which would place it after all of the other Showa media. Ghidorah and Gigan both escape in Godzilla vs. Gigan, Gigan escapes again in vs. Megalon but is finally killed in Zone Fighter, and then Ghidorah is killed in DAM. Gigan's death is quite definitive: the light of his visor fades, he foams at the mouth, and then disappears in an explosion.
5. I see no reason why Megalon couldn't still be alive, sure. But as you say, we never get an answer one way or the other.

Thanks very much Les, your answers help a lot. I just happened to have a few more questions I needed help with being answered.

1. "First off, I understand that King Ghidorah, Gigan and Megalon aren't intended brothers by blood since they all have different origins by species. I was just curious though, if they were related symbolically, since all three for them have diamond symbols that show up anytime they appear and also what I meant symbolically is how Godzilla, Anguirus, Rodan, Mothra and many of the kajiu that live on Monster Island\Monsterland aren't the same species but there all have a symbolic relationship in a similar way due to living on Earth and having similar protective roles." So do these three have that connection? Except are polar opposites of course.
2. "I found two slightly different versions of the timeline the first which is listed above that I wrote down and I found through sources including one on Wikizilla itself through this link. Wikizilla:YouTube/The Godzilla Timeline Explained#:~:text=Starting this timeline off is,Son of Godzilla, Godzilla vs. and it doesn't list Varan, Atragon, the Frankenstein duology and King Kong Escapes, but other sources include them like the link he gave me." Which one is more accurate?
3. Either way All Monsters Attack isn't canon right? "Because, we never see the kajiu appear outside of Ichiro's dreams and when they're referenced outside of his dreams, it seems more implied it takes place outside the continuity and they all only exist in pop culture. Yet it's listed on here anyways, so I'm confused."
4. Is one of the Rodan's in GTTHM the same as the one that appeared in his own movie? "It's always looked that way to me, especially since he shared a distain with Godzilla towards humanity and talked about being bullied by them to Mothra. How else could he have had that conversation with them if it was a different Rodan and he encountered humans for the first time? "always believed the male one likely lived through the events of his self titled film, while his mate died."

1. That seems like a subjective question, so I'm not really sure how to answer it. You can think of them having a link just by being villains if you really wanted to. I would almost argue Ghidorah, Gigan, and Mechagodzilla have more in common as a trio though, being space monsters. I'm not sure I understand the "diamond" connection either; Gigan definitely emerges from a diamond, but Ghidorah either comes from a meteor (GtTHM, all the movies that use stock footage from GtTHM, and GvGigan) or a Terror-Beast Missile (Zone Fighter), and Megalon doesn't really have anything to do with diamonds either.
2. The page you linked there is a transcript of an old YouTube video of ours that needs remaking. We didn't discover Godzilla Dictionary's inclusion of those other Showa movies until well after the video had been made. The List of Godzilla film continuities page is the most up to date.
3. All Monsters Attack is canon, as far as Dictionary indicates. It's just that all of the monsters scenes are being viewed through Ichiro's dreams. Presumably only the events that occur in his waking life are what exist in the universe of the rest of the movies. Although it's been speculated by some authors that Ichiro is actually psychic and he was seeing real events on Monster Island through his mind (I did always find it weird how Monster Island turned out to be a real location, and that Gabara has a whole backstory in extrafilmic sources about being a toad despite supposedly not being real). Who can know if that was really Ishiro Honda's intention, though.
4. That's something we're not quite sure ourselves, and judging by sources from over the years, nobody really is. The cleanest explanation would just be to go with what the movie depicts: a Rodan emerges from Mount Aso, the same place that the pair died in Rodan, and Princess Salno says that it was "revived" by volcanic gases. This didn't stop books from as early as the 1980s suggesting it is the child of the first two Rodans, or some other entirely unrelated one though, so it's somewhat up to interpretation. Either way, we cover them all on the same page for convenience.