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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Les/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

list of MV monsters suggestion

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MrPenguin (talkcontribs)

is it ok if i add the ivy dragon, horncrest chameleon, giant branch beetle and tree of woe? also, srry if i am bothering you

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

File:TBC in GxK.jpg


It's saying there "To be continued in GxK:TNE" before their fight, how exactly this doesn't confirm that she'll be in the movie? I don't think the movie will just ignore a big monsters battle in a city like that

Les (talkcontribs)

Sorry, I didn't see this image. I just saw the first pic that was cited and assumed it was the same.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

XD XD XD XD

Keeri'ijra (talkcontribs)

Oh, wait, yeah.

MrPenguin (talkcontribs)

just asking a question but, why did u undo my edit on the spirit tiger? i think the pic was fine and shows more of the spirit tiger

Les (talkcontribs)

I explained and posed a question in the edit summary. That pic was released close to a year ago in connection with Kong: Skull Island - Isle of the Damned, which hasn't come out yet. Unless we know for sure it will appear in unaltered form in the book (which I don't believe we do), it is essentially concept art, which shouldn't be used for an infobox. There was some art released for Evil Genius' previous Kong book too, and it was completely redrawn for the finished product.

MrPenguin (talkcontribs)

ight, thank you understand now

Heisei Mechagodzilla page cuts

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FigmentJedi (talkcontribs)

While I kinda get trimming back Island and Godziban with the expectation of giving those individualized character pages, why did all the IDW stuff get hidden? Showa Mechagodzilla's page covers all the material using that incarnation of the character, including Island and Godzilland.

Les (talkcontribs)

Having the same design doesn't make it the same incarnation; there should be pages for all the comic versions of Mechagodzilla in the future just like Godzilla. I didn't realize we had all that on the Showa page, so I'll remove that.

FigmentJedi (talkcontribs)

The way spinoff material has treated the pre-2004 Mechagodzilla models over the years to the point of having them co-exist, I just figured we were treating Showa, Super, and Kiryu as three separate monsters with a shared name. If we're expanding the "Let's give every major and minor print version of Godzilla an incarnation page" project to other monsters, are we pivoting monster coverage in general to some kinda DC/Marvel Wiki "Here's a disambiguation directory for individual pages of every main/micro continuity version of the character" model?

Les (talkcontribs)

It will be the exact same as it is now - only major monsters have incarnation pages and the rest stay on one page - just with comics added.

FigmentJedi (talkcontribs)

If we're being this rigid about alternate continuities using the different Mechagodzilla incarnations, wouldn't the video game coverage have to go too?

Les (talkcontribs)

Yes in my opinion, but I didn't feel like going through them :P. If a game uses phrasing like "Mechagodzilla (1974)", like Godzilla Defense Force for example, that's good enough for me. But if it's just a Mechagodzilla that happens to use one design or the other, I don't think that counts.

Les (talkcontribs)

Also, just to add, I'm not opposed to making separate pages for some video game iterations, it's just that a lot of games are not really story-based. We already have a page for Super Godzilla though, which I think should be converted into an incarnation page for the Godzilla from that game.

FigmentJedi (talkcontribs)

I think my overall concern is that until there's more of an ongoing splitting project in place, the omissions might just create confusion for people browsing the pages. The "Other uses of these designs" section within the "Merge Godzilla designs with their incarnations" proposal would definitely be useful.

Les (talkcontribs)

Yeah, we're hoping to move forward with deleting the suit pages soon, definitely sometime in spring.

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Hi bud. Can you please give me the number of the KOTM Novel pages that talk about Mokele-Mbembe? I'm looking for the parts where:

1. He was able to withstand a missile blast.

2. His tail sliced an osprey in half.

3. Tore through a pyramid.

4. The part where his trunk is stated as prehensile.

Thanks in advance!

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Any help?

Les (talkcontribs)

Hello. I believe all of that can be substantiated by page 179:

An Osprey shrieked by overhead, and then another, jamming with their fifty-caliber guns, launching rockets. She looked back in time to see a missile explode against Mokele-Mbembe. It didn't seem to bother him much. That trunk was fast, whipping around and snatching up people three and four at a time. It was completely out of the pit now, lurching forward on four thick legs. The front legs were a little taller than the rear. Its tail sliced through a pyramid and then flicked up to cut an Osprey in half.

The trunk is never explicitly stated as prehensile, just implied by its actions. Here's one more mention on pages 233-234:

Missiles from a jet painted the monster with flame, but he came on, picking up a Humvee with his trunk and lobbing it at the plane as it banked for another shot.
Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Thank you so much! :D

Information For Movie Pages

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Keeri'ijra (talkcontribs)

So I've been going through some of the material that has come out for Minus One's creation, and I wanted to ask which section that information should go. Developement would be my guess, but I'm unsure as how to format it. Any tips?

Les (talkcontribs)

Anything related to the conceptualizing and pre-production can go in Development, production and post-pro (like VFX) in Production.

As far as pointers go, checking the way other pages have done things is probably more instructive than anything I could write out. The Killing Bottle, The War in Space, and Reiko, Psyche Resurrected are some of the ones I'm most proud of, although they probably pale in comparison to how lengthy Minus One's will be.

JohnZilla (talkcontribs)

the leaks should stop ngl

Les (talkcontribs)

They'll be deleted from here on sight, but not much more we can do than that, unfortunately.

sandbox confirmation

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MrPenguin (talkcontribs)

hello, i would like to see if my jenga sandbox is ready for approval

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It should have a description of how the game is played.

MrPenguin (talkcontribs)

okay!

Dates in Movies Sandbox

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E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Hey I found your sandbox listing all the dates in godzilla movies, but it hasn't been updated in like a year, are you still working on it or no? because i have been working on a timeline for all the movies and would be glad to help if you'd like

Les (talkcontribs)

I don't mind. For the record, the intention of the page was to catalog precise dates though, including day and month, not just years.

As an aside, can you explain your findings about Godzilla vs. Mothra's placement? I'm aware that there's a monitor that says "December 16(?), 1992" but that occurs after the prologue and one-month timeskip, just before Battra awakens. Is there a December 1992 date shown during the prologue that supports the notion that everything post-timeskip is in 1993?

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Okay cool, good to know, are you still working on it at all or nah?


The Dec 15, 1992 is the date shown for when the meteor crash lands at the beginning of the movie. later in the movie, the meteor crash is said to be "last month"

Les (talkcontribs)

I haven't touched it in a while. It's one of those pet projects that's perpetually on the back burner, so feel free.

As for the meteorite, couldn't it just as easily be the case that it landed in November '92 and the timeskip is to December? There isn't a lot of context on the slide with the date to indicate whether it's the day the meteorite hit, the day the environmental readings are from, or just a simple timestamp of the current day. Personally though, I don't think it can be the date of the meteorite landing because it also says something like "Day 288" in the corner, which wouldn't make much sense. The only way we could know for sure is if there is a date shown during the NASA scene at the beginning, which is why I asked. I ended up checking myself and didn't spot anything obvious, but there's a line on the readout that starts with three characters (maybe a month abbreviation?) and seems to end with "12-1992." I can't make out the beginning unfortunately, even on a straight rip of the Sony Blu-ray.

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Okay looking through the movie again, you may be right, the screen with the Dec 15, 1992 is showing the meteor's effect on the planet, so in context, it makes sense for it to be the current date, although it can be interpreted the other way. If we did that though it would mean the entire movie happens in 1992, which is not how the entire rest of the wiki places it. There's also the proximity to Christmas and it not going on, which is of course weak evidence, but it's still something. If you think the December date is referring to the current date, I wouldn't object, but that means GvM would need to be moved to 1992 all across the wiki

Les (talkcontribs)

I think there is a third option, which is to just assume the timestamp is wrong. Generally I'm fine with running with onscreen dates if they're not contradicted, but 1993 seems to be the film's accepted setting (I found a passage from Godzilla Dictionary [New Edition] that says even the meteor crashing was in '93). That should probably be prioritized over a split-second '92 date that we can't even be sure of the implications of.

Worth noting the Heisei series has other dates we're forced to ignore too:

  • Godzilla vs. Biollante's Memorial Lounge says The Return of Godzilla happened in 1985 and implies its own events are set in 1990 (the prop department even put a 1990 date on the letter Kirishima gets from MIT), but Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah places Biollante in 1989.
  • A newspaper in King Ghidorah indicates Godzilla was created when Mikhail Gorbachev was General Secretary of the Soviet Union at the same time Gro Brundtland was Norwegian Prime Minister, which didn't happen in real life until 1986 (thus making TRoG impossible).
  • A newspaper in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II strangely says Biollante happened in 1991.
  • Security camera footage in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is timestamped Wednesday, July 19, which corresponds to 1995 and not '96.
E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Can we split the difference and say the meteor was in 1992 and the movie is the next month in 1993? I'm not sure about the wiki's policy on timeline stuff

Les (talkcontribs)

Is there any source to support that? The movie certainly doesn’t say it.

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

That's why i said "split the difference" There's conflicting evidence because the movie itself doesn't support 1993, but official sources say so. So for the movie to still be used we have the meteor in 1992, but the movie in 1993 to still use official word

Les (talkcontribs)

I don't feel that we have a strong enough case to run with that. There are no definitive timestamps during the prologue that place it in '92, and we can only infer from the present day seemingly being in '92. So if the only date in the movie is for the present day, and we're in agreement that that should be disregarded in favor of '93, then there is no longer anything to indicate the meteor was in '92. Plus as I mentioned, at least one book outright says the meteor falling was in 1993. I think it's a 'one or the other' kind of situation, and between '92 and '93, the latter is more widely accepted today.

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Yeah that is fair enough

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Something else to consider - the new Maser weapons seen in the film both have "93" in their names. Of course, the MBT-MB92 debuted in Godzilla vs. Biollante, so that naming scheme isn't airtight. (Some books, like Everything Godzilla: The Complete Super Encyclopedia and Godzilla Character Encyclopedia: Toho Special Effects Movie Complete History, call it the Type 89 to resolve this contradiction, but the name's written on the props, so it's hard to override.)

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Yeah that's part of my point, 1993 seems to be like, widely regarded as factual, from encyclopedias and stuff, so that's why I was suggesting the meteor be 1992, that way the movie can fit into 1993 without ignoring the dates in the movie, just reinterpreting them. Tho i'm okay with either option

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Hey On the sandbox it says that Invasion of Astro Monster is in October 1965,but at around the 1 hour ten minute mark in the movie there is a calendar that starts on a Sunday and ends on a Tuesday, the only month in 1965 that that fits is August

Les (talkcontribs)

Took me a while to find, but I think what you're talking about is hanging behind Fuji when he's speaking to Glenn in the lab, right? (On the Criterion copy, it was around 1:14:00.) It looks to me like the big orange square says "10", as in October. It's far too blurry for me to be able to tell if the columns are labeled, but the numbers in the first column are clearly highlighted in that orangey color, which seems to be a practice done for Sunday - so yeah, the days seem to be wrong. I imagine it was not a real calendar, and the props department just goofed in designing it.

E-Scope04 (talkcontribs)

Yeah thats the one. Do you have the props that say October? I haven't been able to find them

Titanus Kaiju Fan (talkcontribs)

Now that we've got a better shot of the apes seen in the second trailer for GxK, I have no doubt that they're specimens of Kong's species since they all have somewhat similar gorilla-like appearances and black fur. Should we still wait for the movie to be released to change this, though?

Les (talkcontribs)

I'm inclined to wait, but the other admins may have thoughts as well.