Actually, I took it upon myself to review each of Toho's films up to the premiere of Rodan, and indeed it was Toho's first color film.
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I'm not sure if this was their first color film either, but Madame White Snake (also called The Legend of the White Serpent) was released in July of '56 (vs. December for Rodan).
The game developers have been releasing trailers for the soon-to-be-playable Titans. You probably already know about the trailers, but since you needed to know, I got the information for the trailer pertaining the obvious subject. (- > -)
I linked to a trailer, which doesn't support the classification you added.
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The exact trailer. I made multiple screenshots. I seem to have mistyped the classification……………..
Before El Spigre moved the page prematurely, I was going to ask if for "The Rage", you could check it out make sure it's ready to move and fix anything. I would also like to know how exactly it could be placed in the Songs template.
Is there a reason you're not responding?
A while back I saw that there was a Discord server for this site. I was wondering if it was still open and if I could join it?
Should the Locations template include video games? Not just for the inclusion of the general JP / US cities, but also of the occasional place that isn't that.
Also how come no flags? Sorry for bombarding the wiki with them, but Im just curious for the reason.
I think the locations template just kinda sucks in general and needs an update like the vehicles one.
If a large number of changes is required, I recommend ordering the locations in each section by alphabetical order. Organizing these cities and especially landmarks becomes much easier
The flags were, more than anything, a formatting nightmare. I agree that the Locations template needs an overhaul though; sorting by eras leads to a ton of redundancies. Coincidentally, staff have been working on a scope for locations which we should be ready to introduce soon...
Fair, the flags did look horrible on the page itself.
Also re:flags, we already have the template {{Flag}} which is loaded with world flags. An idea I had to make use of them was to create a country infobox that could include the flag in the corner or something, like the trademark icons on the kaiju infobox.
I would like to make a sandbox page for a proposal for this infobox, if it is okay
That's fine.
I'm starting to go through the new location pages, and while I think it's great that we're filling in the world, some of them have tense issues and glaring typos that should have been caught before they were promoted from sandboxes. This isn't a race; please don't rush.
Apologies. I'll re-visit them again and correct the mistakes.
Also, while it's fine to derive location summaries from existing story summaries, simply copying them over can result in excessive detail, e.g. the Godzilla Rivals: Mothra Vs. Hedorah section of the Iceland page.
More errors abounded on the Spain page. Please take note of the feedback I left.
Should I delete all map appearances that Ive counted for other countries then?
Yes, please. Things particularly interesting (like the Monarch bases) can be moved to trivia though.
Two new points:
1) Since there's a new locations template, should we start replacing the old one with it? Or are we still working on it, if so, what's left?
2) The Infobox proposal from earlier - I am not sure whether the code is working or not on that one. Once it does, when we can start implementing it?
- Not done, no. Right now it only includes real Earthen countries; it's missing landmarks, landforms (like mountains and bodies of water), fictional countries, and other planets. Also the pages listed therein are based on a new Scope proposal which is still pending and subject to change.
- Once we've nailed down what all will qualify for pages, I'll take a look at revising your infobox.
One last query: for the countries whose Sandbox pages are finished (properly, with both your qualifications from the Spain edit and the new locations proposal), are there any further processes to happen before they can be upgraded to pages? Would you like the staff (i.e. admins like you and ABB) to review it first, and if so, should I leave them to be upgraded to pages by the staff themselves?
It would be ideal for us to review them first, yes. Last time the sheer number of pages was a bit overwhelming.
Titanus Jinshin Mushi for the MUTO species as a whole (its not just "Titanus MUTO")
But yet the same profile says, "The M.U.T.O.s are one part of a complex apocalyptic life cycle that begins with Titanus Jinshin-Mushi, commonly known as M.U.T.O. Prime" and uses "Jinshin-Mushi" to refer singularly to Prime thereafter. If you notice, basically that entire stat block pertains only to Prime, like the height that is only hers. Or the "Bio-Terrestrial" conflicting with the regular MUTOs being given a nature of Bio-Atomic during the Monsterverse Watchalong—you could argue they simply decided against that, but IMO it makes more sense for the character with "earthquake" in its name (Jinshin-Mushi) to be the one associated with the ground. Either way, the whole thing seems sloppy and self-contradictory so I'm not inclined to prioritize it over and against one of the mainline installments, Godzilla vs. Kong, where Titanus MUTO was used.
I do have to ask then, why are we prioritizing older information over newer info though? That watchalong was back during the 2020-2022 pandemic era and a lot of new and updated stuff have come out now. Wingard say the opening for GvKwas a rush job for GvK and plus, we now have an actual official guidebook now with Mthe monarch files when we didn't had one before. If anything I feel like we should update it with the new stuff since it either corrects older information and its easier to understand than just flipflopping between old and new info/keeping it vague.
Also “Titanus MUTO” was debunked… that whole opening was majority full of fake or stolen information. The proper classfication now is Titanus Jinshin Mushi regardless of the type.
Debunked where?
We now have the Monarch Files (2026) which now have them classified as Titanus Jinshin Mushi. This is copied stright from the Files on page 57-59 (both the Male and Female MUTOs from G14 are pictured, with the Male MUTO being the main pic): "ONCE INSERTED INTO A Titan host, M.U.T.O. eggs incubate over the course of centuries, slowly feeding on the blood's nuclear-rich hemoglobin and eventually killing the host. Upon hatching out of the Titan carcass, the fully gestated male and female have one biological instinct: to reproduce and to destroy any obstacle that stands in the way of that imperative. With sufficient maturation, the female M.U.T.O. may burrow into the Earth's surface and create a nest in which to lay dozens of eggs. Once the male M.U.T.O. fertilizes the eggs, it begins the final reproductive stage. After gestating, the eggs hatch into an entirely new horde with the biological drive to consume all life on Earth, bringing about an apocalyptic catastrophe and completing the life cycle that began with Jinshin-Mushi."
"Physiologically, the M.U.T.O.s are one of few Titans with distinct male and female forms, which complement each other in waging their biological warfare. The female M.U.T.O. is significantly larger, standing nearly three hundred feet tall, and is significantly wider than the male. She carries a large bioluminescent egg sac in her underbelly filled with hundreds of eggs. While slower on foot, she is measurably stronger and more formidable in close-range Titan combat. The male M.U.T.O. stands almost a full one hundred feet shorter but proves to be a quicker and more agile opponent in defending his mate. Equipped with large wings that allow it to fly, the male can unleash deadly attacks on Titan rivals from all angles."
Also there is also a AMA with Wingard as well that debunked the Titanus MUTO info back in 2021. There’s literally stolen art and fanmade content in the opening which Wingard comfirmed. That’s part of it having been a rush job:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/mw7391/crosspost_im_adam_wingard_director_of_godzilla_vs/
Also the creator of the Muto Prime confirmed they (Male, Female, Queen, and Prime) are all one species, theres no separate flying species or ground species, they are all different forms of the same species). (Mar 14, 2023): https://x.com/arvidthetwit/status/1635748363156037632
These talking points have been presented by others before and I remain just as unconvinced now as I did then.
The Reddit link you posted doesn't lead to anything, it's just the splash page for the AMA, but I assume you are referring to this reply. As far as I'm concerned, your assertions about what he said are extremely dishonest. He doesn't even mention the Titan classifications much less "debunk" them, nor is there a single syllable confirming "stolen art and fanmade content". The entirety of what he said is "some things got a little overlooked"—the kind of thing a person would say to acknowledge small errors got through, not that it's a dumpster fire he wants you to pretend doesn't exist. That is silly.
And the Nelson tweet is a non-sequitur. I didn't say anything about "flying species or ground species". But it should be said that the Titan classifications have never been equated to species in anything official I've ever seen. Rather, they are used to refer to individual Titans, almost like a codename. Kong is Titanus Kong; he is the one and only creature with that classification. His parents, the Great Apes, etc. have never been identified with that classification because it is a singular, personal identifier. This is distinct from more basic superspecies who have a different term, "cryptozoological classification", that does seem to function as a species. You can see that Titans are treated differently even in The Monarch Files; they always drop the "cryptozoological" part. So no, them being the same species has no bearing on the question of whether the non-Prime MUTOs are classified the same way as her.
I don't really understand what you think the Files passages you posted are proving either. If anything, "the eggs ... [complete] the life cycle that began with Jinshin-Mushi" is more proof that it considers Jinshin-Mushi to be a singular organism that is distinct from the MUTOs it gives birth to. If all of them were one thing called Jinshin-Mushi, why would it phrase it like that? Ditto the passage I mentioned in my very first reply, which I will repeat for you here: "The M.U.T.O.s are one part of a complex apocalyptic life cycle that begins with Titanus Jinshin-Mushi, commonly known as M.U.T.O. Prime".
So then why isn’t there two separate bios for the Prime and the non-Prime MUTOs in the Monarch Files if you think the Prime itself is a singular organism that is "distinct from the MUTOs", on top of the multiple times people stated that all of the MUTO forms fall under the same Titan species? They are all the same thing and I have to tell you again, the creator's point still stand strong. I get that Legendary's wording can look or feel strange, but I think they still make it clear: https://x.com/arvidthetwit/status/1635748363156037632
To me, you haven't really proven your point regarding the MUTO species outside that it’s your own opinion and basing it on outdated information rather then on facts stated in multiple sources.
Opinions isnt fact
😅 I’m sorry, but while I have no business here, I can’t help but support the newcomer's point about Les' seeming bias.
I won’t indulge on the heart of this debate, but I will stress that Les' judgement has consistently left me questioning things. Nonetheless, both sides here each raise valid points. That’s all. I’ll stay out now then.
Its the same with regards to the Spiral Studio stuff I mentioned in a prior post. In my mind, its far more reasonable to update whenever we have something new (regardless if we like it or not or if it retcons certain things) from the official creators of these titans rather then relying on opinions and outdated information. My intention is to not cause a heated argument, but to be able to keep things up to date even if we dont like the current info.
Information changes all the time constantly, who knows, maybe for Supernova we get new stats on certain kaiju that makes the old one outdated. Or we get a brand new origin for Godzilla, or the other Titans. Lore changes all the time, but personally I think updating constantly with the newer information will help a lot clear up any misconceptions (like how you guys cleared up old misconceptions in your wikizilla videos, i've always found them to be helpful so why not do the same here).
I gave my argument in this post that I'm not convinced you read (or anything I write, really).
I will say however, for someone so quick to accuse me of putting my opinions over evidence, you are flagrantly engaging in recency bias. It is not reasonable to automatically believe the most recently published information, and no respectable wiki on the planet operates like that. But clearly even that belief of yours is negotiable, because despite wanting everything to be the newest information, you're conveniently ignoring that The Monarch Files is the most recent source and does not agree with Spiral's height.
I'm thoroughly sick of these conversations though and I don't think I'll be responding further. The Spiral number will go in a note, as you were told already, but it will not replace the 119m measurement.
Keyes just confirmed it on Instagram that the MUTOs and the Prime are the same species in the comments
Might need an important reminder that Keyes wrote the book himself lol with Legendary’s and Toho’s approval.Kinda hard to ignore that fact.
This conversation is clearly going nowhere. None of you have addressed a single one of my points, including the most obviously contradictory factor that the book says Titanus Jinshin-Mushi is "commonly known as MUTO Prime". And continuing to argue about "species" is unbelievable when I explicitly laid out for you that the Monsterverse has never treated these "Titanus…" things as species — not an opinion! I will happily put Titanus Jinshin-Mushi in the MUTO infobox with a note, but I'm not removing Titanus MUTO, just as we've noted several classifications for things like Mother Longlegs and Warbat.
Regarding WartDogs, their classification is Cerberus Ulcus
You can edit the page just as much as I can.
It was my understanding that Houston held these positions prior to formally retiring in Kingdom Kong and handing the “keys” over to Ilene.
My confusion is at the titles you attributed him. When and where was he called a "senior officer", the "manager" of Outpost 33, or a "geological advisor" (and how is that different from being a seismologist)? In Kingdom Kong he tells Delgado, "I'm a seismologist, not a storm chaser!" and seismologist is his only title in The Monarch Files.
I would look towards the end of the story when he actually retires if you want to find whatever prompted me.
I see, he says he's "handing over management" to Andrews. However at the beginning he's introduced as "our chief officer". I don't see why those would be different titles.
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hey Les, I've gotten back to reading the Godzilla dark horse run and had a question for you. I'm on issue 9 right now and I got to this part, and I'm not sure if its just a fictional location or if it was intended to be Ellesmere island. posting a screenshot of it rn
I've just left it without a link, which I think is the safest thing to do. I did find that there is a sound off Ellesmere Island called Smith Sound which is seemingly what Frederick Cook referred to as "Ellesmere Sound" in his account of reaching the North Pole, and that another body of water, Van Keulenfjorden, was named Lord Ellesmere Sound in the 17th century. But what the Dark Horse writers intended we can't be sure.
gotcha, I just didn't want to add it to the page without knowing exactly what the intent of it being was, but if its just unclear I think leaving it without a link is the correct choice
Hello, I would like to request a comment to be deleted on the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms page that I made on my old account, Gigantissucksgodzillarules455. I think it was very disrespectful and messed up that I don't want to mention it. I just want it removed because I regret writing it during my "edgy" days 3 or 4 years back and I want to make up for my past actions. I'm sorry I wrote this comment. I am not asking for forgiveness, I just want to move on. Please and thank you. I know this isn't enough for an "apology" but I want to take responsibility for my past misdeeds. If you want to ban me, then please feel free to do so.
Sure thing. For the record, I didn't think it was that bad.
Thank you, like I said, I just want to take responsibility.
You can clearly hear the roar faintly when the dedication comes up https://youtu.be/t2UCSFIFqfE?si=F0TpjIRNqOdiR3i9
I'm not denying the roar is there, my point is that it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Banno/Nakajima tribute. Like I said, it's the very end of the credits as well as the end of McCreary's Godzilla theme, and trails off with the screen fading out. It sounds to me like the roar is just a little Easter egg to signify the movie's over. What even would be the connection between a 1954 roar and Banno, anyway?
I just wanted to add Godzilla’s roar being played in the credits
That would be fine as a separate bullet point. Putting it with the dedication mention makes it sound like we're claiming a relation.
I now added the bullet point