User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief

From Wikizilla, the kaiju encyclopedia
Jump to navigationJump to search

About this board

Not editable

Astounding Beyond Belief

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

Not Able to Add Images

7
Cohozilla (talkcontribs)

Sometimes, when I try to add an image to a gallery, I'm not able to. Do you have any ideas why it's not working, or any methods I could use?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

As is, you're not able to upload an image while editing a page?

Cohozilla (talkcontribs)

I can upload images fine, it's just that as I'm editing, when I press the edit button for the Gallery, nothing happens.

Now that I think about it, every time I've had this issue, it was with the Screenshots section of the page.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Is there a specific page you can recall? I'd like to try and recreate it on my end.

Cohozilla (talkcontribs)

The MUTO and King Kong (1933) pages both gave me that problem.

Perhaps it has something to do with me being on an IPad?

Cohozilla (talkcontribs)

I probably should have mentioned that earlier. My bad.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It's all working fine for me on Firefox. Have you tried another browser and/or device?

Expiation for post removal on Godzilla vs. Mothra

2
Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

Hey,

Just want to let you know I was not trying to critique the film here. I was simply trying to explain a plot hole that no one has touched on yet. I get the way the post started out could make it sound like a critique but other than that, what part of the post did you feel was a critique?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The whole passage just seemed like a complaint that Mothra and Battra's motivations were underexplained. I think it's a valid complaint, but we generally don't pick apart the films in that way here. If you found an explanation for their actions in an external source, that would be noteworthy. As it stands, the only place I could see it is Reception, provided you could find a professional review (or a published fan review) to quote.

The Lake possibly viable?

12
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i was recently told that apparently the director of the Lake cited both Godzilla and King Kong as an influence on the film

could this mean the film is possibly viable now?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

For starters, we'd need a source for that. I suppose I should actually watch it one of these days - I've just been putting it off since I've heard it's a real stinker.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

reading the actual link it seems the person who told me didn't actually read the whole thing in context

https://themomentum.co/thefeame-lee-thongkham-thelake/


however i guess i could bring up another Thai monster movie that was rejected in the past but the new scope rules might can take another look


Garuda 2004

i recall seeing a now deleted youtube vid that i think was taken from the tokyo shock dvd where the director himself said Godzilla directly was an influence on the film (Rule 2?)

but i am aware the Monster is only a couple meters taller than a human although its wingspan when fully outstretched is pretty tall but the director himself considers the film to be a giant monster film.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I've seen it; has nothing to do with Godzilla.

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

I noticed the Tokyo Shock DVD itself says Garuda was inspired by Godzilla.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Not sure if this was noticed but if it flat out says it's inspired by godzilla i think looking into it more should be considered.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i have too but i recall seeing a video of behind the scenes thing that i can no longer find of director himself outright said godzilla was an influence that seems a little disregarding what the second rule on the scope for misc said.

"Include a giant monster and demonstrate significant influence from or on the Godzilla, King Kong, and/or Gamera series, beyond the mere presence of a giant monster."


so why is it ok when one film (cloverfield for example) says its an influence but not this one?

that seems kind of dismissive to what the director himself said and I'm not sure who are we to say its not if the man himself said it if memory serves correctly.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

"[S]ignificant influence [...] beyond the mere presence of a giant monster."

Cloverfield and the original Godzilla both use giant monsters to evoke then-recent attacks that had profound effects on their countries of origin (9/11 and Allied bombings during World War II). The Abrams quote is useful in confirming that the filmmakers had Godzilla on their minds, but this parallel is much more significant.

I'm willing to listen to whatever the director said, but I'm extremely skeptical. Based on the film alone, Garuda has a much weaker case than anything else we've let in under this rule. (Aside from Colossal, which has an exceedingly weird backstory.)

Kaiju No. 14 (talkcontribs)

Garuda has a monster vs. military battle which demonstrates influence from Toho's series. So I'd classify that as the influence beyond the giant monster that the film has

Les (talkcontribs)

I personally do not find that very compelling. Of course the military would respond to a giant monster attack. That's a cliche in all monster movies.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

The monster does get into conflict with helicopters but i still think we need to find the exact quotes from the director first.

RunawayMuck Rodent (talkcontribs)

DVD copy with the info and interviews coming in a few days, along with full scans of the Manuel likely but the interview will be excavated first

Nebula in Gorgo page

5
Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Howl from Beyond the Fog is connected to The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms in that both of them are based on the short story "The Fog Horn". Hope that helps.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's a few too many degrees of separation for Nebula to be on Gorgo's page, I think.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Okay, if you say so.

Btw, Nebula is also mentioned on both the Rhedosaurus and the Paleosaurus pages as a potential future page. That's what gave me the basis for including it on the Gorgo page.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I guess it's fine on the Rhedosaurus page. Paleosaurus, nah.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Again, if you say so. I bow to your suggestion.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Yeah, this person has outstayed their welcome.

I also think you would be much better off not obsessing over what people are filling the comment sections with. The constant reports are a bit tiring.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I was just trying to keep on lookout for some things that might go down sorry

you said you cant keep up with everything on recent changes and i was just trying to bring attention to it because i thought you might miss it

Scope for miscellaneous films

10
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I was curious is there any western films that could apply under the


"Include a giant monster and share a director, special effects director, screenwriter, or suitmaker with the Godzilla or Gamera series. Assistant positions do not count."

Les (talkcontribs)

Well, we approved Monsters because of Gareth Edwards, but I don't think there's anything else obvious. You also have to consider that a lot gets filtered out by the existence of wikis dedicated to certain franchises, which was by design. It'd be kind of silly to cover Independence Day: Resurgence, for example.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i mean obviously for nothing with its own dedicated and well written wiki (but i would check if any wiki is actually up to date and not vandalized) but Nothing in the rules really specified it had to be specifically Japanese and i was wondering if anything related to G98 was counted for


doubt it but it made me think about Outlander and Eight Legged Freaks (neither not too big but monsters in both still dwarf humans) but I'm not sure if those share those specific staff roles with anyone on G98 since they had some sort of staff connection or any of the MonsterVerse films for that matter

also we cover The Cat, Jellyfish Eyes and eventually Both Zebraman films i don't think anything's too silly at this point.

Les (talkcontribs)

Roland Emmerich was only an executive producer of Eight Legged Freaks, so that one doesn't count. I'd never heard of Outlander but, assuming you're talking about the 2008 movie, I didn't see anyone I recognize in the IMDb credits.

I'm pretty sure we went through the G98 & Monsterverse writers and directors when we wrote that rule. But I guess it's always possible we missed something.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

did you guys check for shared screenwriters and effects directors?

Les (talkcontribs)

Well SFX director can basically be thrown out of the window because that's a uniquely Japanese position. Most of these movies use CGI and therefore have a VFX supervisor.

For writers: Dean Devlin has only written five movies besides GODZILLA and the only one I'm aware of having a giant monster is Independence Day: Resurgence; Max Borenstein hasn't written any monster movies that aren't in the Monsterverse; Derek Connolly (KSI cowriter) wrote two of the Jurassic World movies and Detective Pikachu but those have wikis, and the monsters in Monster Trucks don't sound to be giant; any non-MV movies Michael Dougherty, Eric Pearson, or Jeremy Slater may've written with monsters in them belong to a bigger franchise; and Zach Shields hasn't written any non-MV monster movies.

The biggest question marks left are Eric Pearson, Terry Rossio, and Simon Barrett. I'm not familiar enough with the movies in their filmographies to say.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

The monsters in monster trucks are bigger than humans and the size of a truck but im not advocating for it

But do vfx supervisors count?

Les (talkcontribs)

As it's worded currently, no. We've discussed feelings about VFX supes, but allowing them would open up a can of worms we're not ready for right now.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

So why are vfx seen as lesser than pratical?

Les (talkcontribs)

Tokusatsu is the heart of the website. But it's not really even a practical FX bias so much as SFX directors being historically associated with kaiju eiga. VFX is everywhere in Hollywood and not exclusive to monsters, whereas SFX directors were involved in far more monster movies than other kinds. It's a lot easier of a thing to draw rules around.

Where do you find legitimate sources to add to these articles?

9
Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

Hi, ABB

First of all I just wanted to say for not being on here often, thank you for helping me out with getting the right information and source material to post into these film articles. There's one thing I'd like to know though, where do you go to get legitimate information regrading these films? When you're coping and pasting links into them. I can hardly find accurate sources that refer to what needs to be pointed out. I'd just like to know for the future. Because let's just say the sites I come across aren't known for containing anything of value or add anything relevant to what I or even someone else is trying to point out. i.e. Megalon's uncut international version (Which you helped me with before) or Terror's history in the UK. (Which I had Space Hunter M to thank for that one)

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I don't really understand the question - the sources I use for this sort of thing are usually what you can already find cited in the articles.

Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

What I'm meaning to say is it's hard for me to find unbiased information regarding these movies. Like, if I'm trying to something in detail that's been stated somewhere before, that I can use here to help prove a point. It's very difficult and usually I just keep running into people's reviews or message broad debates on which movie is better. Rather, than finding something that just states information on facts that can be helpful to the site in any way,


By the way if you don't mind me asking, a bonus question, around a week to two weeks ago, I was editing the Terror of Mechagodzilla .wiki page and when I tried to give a link to Godzilla vs. Gigan the words were in red instead of blue and wouldn't let me link to them, Well, then I tried Son of Godzilla and it came up as a number instead of the title, so I just typed both to those as well as Godzilla vs. Megalon's title out because the links weren't working. I wish I would've asked you what went wrong then but do you know why it did that? and also somehow Space Hunter M was able to go in and fix it to where it would all show up normally thankfully. Anyways that's the first time that ever happened to me. Was that some kind of bug? and if it was, is it fixed now?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's not a question I can easily answer; it's going to vary depending on what you're looking for. Blu-ray.com offers extremely detailed rundowns of home video releases, for instance, but I wouldn't expect to find production information there. Again, I'd refer you to the sources this site is already citing. Or is there some specific information you're trying to find?

The issue you're describing with editing the Terror of Mechagodzilla page is not something anyone else has reported, and without being able to see your screen, I don't have any insights there.

Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

Okay thanks, I didn't find anything to edit at the moment, I just needed to know where you got your links since I couldn't find what I've been looking for in the past and needed some help for the future when I do edit. By the way, would you mind telling me what are the sites he sites you're saying that the site is citing? Because there's so many of them and I looked and couldn't fid a a page on them listed anywhere.


I also don't know exactly how to show you my screen for you to look at it. I just hope I can access the site links again without any trouble.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

There's no page listing all of them; that would be nigh-unreadable. I really need more specifics from you on what you're trying to research to be helpful.

If that glitch happens again, you could try uploading some screenshots.

Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

Okay, just wanted to say thanks for your help.

Gojo2022 (talkcontribs)

The following are examples of what I am looking for reliable refence for.

When certain cuts of these films were broadcasted to Television on what station, history of their releases in other countries, what was added or removed,what home video releases included and left out curtain content same with theatrical and televised broadcasts.

For example how to explain how the International version of Invasion of the Astro Monsters slightly differs from it's Japanese counterpart unlike later International versions, but still longer than the US Monster Zero edit.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Tamura put together a guide on the subject a few years ago on Toho Kingdom. I also found an old Tumblr post by Space Hunter M on the Godzilla series in German that lists a couple of resources: Schnittberichte.com (for version differences) and OFDb (for home video releases). More version differences can be found at Movie-Censorship.com. You can find some old Toho in America articles from Kaiju-Fan on The History Vortex, although the site is difficult to navigate.

About the TTRPG info

2
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

yes i add the cite needed because i dont own it and i dont know what page numbers those are on

im getting the info from cropped screenshots from the digital version i found online

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Ah, they're cropped, understood

Account deletion

2
CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

Do you ever delete inactive accounts? I dont want mine deleted.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Nope.

Panlos Terminology and regarding old account

2
AesGoj (talkcontribs)

Don't think you deleted anything majorly important, though I may add more specific product details later like on the Sluban page. Especially since I plan on getting them all if that'll be fine?

A couple of slight corrections;the image named “Godzilla and Mechagodzilla" in the Head Displays section was what was meant to go under the “Avatar" subheading(https://lepinland.com/shop/lepin-creator-series/creator-inbrixx-687501-godzilla-vs-kong-godzilla-avatar/). I think they're basically meant to represent profile pictures or something? I don't fully get it either. The ones you did put under the Avatar subheading are apparently called “Q editions" according to one site https://www.yourwobb.com/products/panlos-687303-mechanical-godzilla-q-edition?_pos=8&_sid=96d274b9c&_ss=r&variant=41994297573532

As for the old profile, honestly you can just full on erase it for all I care. I kinda forgot it even existed and I don't really go by that moniker anymore.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Fixed! And yeah, more specifics are not a problem. Sort of tempted by the two ship sets myself...