User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief

Astounding Beyond Belief

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

Astounding,

Your response to my latest post is as follows, ““This is overwrought given the relatively few delays.” The use of the term “overwrought” does not fit my work. This is your opinion and not mine. I do not believe I am being “overwrought,” I believe I am acting in good faith with civility. I believe what I have to say is very relevant to a vast many users of wiki. While the delays to this topic might be irrelevant to you, they are very relevant to other users and worth noting.

If I may butt in, you're taking it far too seriously. I don't see how calling something overwrought is questioning your good faith or civility; it just means the writing was more elaborate than it needed to be. By submitting work to a wiki you're agreeing to have it be revised, and we admins try to guide (if not make) those revisions to be as user-friendly as possible. Having a dense paragraph about every delay the show's ever had right at the top of the page is not that. Once we have pages for all of the story arcs, people will be able to see for themselves what dates everything was uploaded on.

If you would like to work on those arc pages, many of which are currently sandboxed, that would be a more productive use of your time.

Les,

With all due respect I disagree.  There have been a couple of occasions you have corrected my submissions, and I don’t have a problem with that.  None of us our perfect.  My issue is Astounding displays a constant pattern with me as well as many others, following and correcting context and meaning to our words.  It is inappropriate.  Overwrought is just an example.  Your overwrought when your life is in shambles, you’re not overwrought when you’re explaining a simple fact that a series of shows from Toho are behind schedule. Maybe he is, but I’m not.

overwrought
adjective

(of a piece of writing or a work of art) too elaborate or complicated in design or construction.

https://g.co/kgs/Jq6k6VZ

The link you provided shows the following for overwrought

You chose to highlight #2 not #1.

adjective

1.      in a state of nervous excitement or anxiety.

2.     (of a piece of writing or a work of art) too elaborate or complicated in design or construction.

Nothing in my original post was elaborate or complicated in structure.

"You chose to highlight #2 not #1"

Because that's how words work... You're going out of your way to be offended by a word because one of its multiple definitions, which isn't the one that was intended and doesn't even apply to the situation, is unsavory to you. I'd also like to point out that you quoted ABB's comment in your first message of this thread, where he's clearly describing the writing as what's overwrought, but then in your second message totally ignore that and say he was calling you overwrought (complete with spiteful "Maybe he is, but I'm not").

It reads to me more like you have a vendetta against him than he has one against you. It was meant to be a fairly innocuous comment that your paragraph was too dense/overwritten/overinformative/etc., which I agree with and explained to you why.

Les

I have Autism, and often times, it is hard to explain frustrations I have especially in a virtual setting. That has happened here. My intention was not to start something with yourself or Astounding. I am going to give Astounding an example as he is asking for; to illustrate the frustration I feel with his editing. I appreciate that he is willing to talk to me about it.  I also appreciate the time you took to intervene in this situation.

That is indeed the definition I had in mind.

Gojo, I'm happy to discuss the reasoning behind my edits in more detail - within reason - but I'm unclear what I'm doing in my patroling that's so distinct from Les and that you find so offensive.

Les approaches users with constructive criticism. He gives suggestions on different things to try.

In regards to this specific piece of work, it was in no way overwrought. You simply could have come in and asked me to shorten what I had to say and suggest I work on the sandbox areas.

In regards to your editing of mine and others work, you are coming across as personal, controlling and change the content in such a way that affects the meaning.

You wrote one sentence. It is not realistic to expect detailed feedback for every edit from any moderator. (I can't speak for the others, but I work on this site in between two jobs.) I think your read on myself and Les's editing styles is deeply ungenerous, but at the same time, you're not giving me many specifics to respond to.

The above link I accidentally uploaded. After you look at it if you could delete it. It is an example of an edit you did to my work that I feel changed the meaning entirely. I had it as one sentence that described it as it needed to be but you took it and broke it off as into two different paragraphs that disjointed the point I was making. Thank you for talking to me about it.

Whatever I was trying to do I must have accidentally published before I finished, because I just straight up did not finish the sentence beginning with "Their logo is absent". Surprised no one else caught that until now. Let me take care of that.

Thanks I appreciate it.

hey ABB, as you might have noticed I've been adding the misc stuff the KOTM Gameboy game gave to some of the enemy kaiju. but I've happened upon a few of them where I just, cannot for the life of tell what its supposed to be or how to describe it. I was hoping maybe you could help me out on that front. I'll provide images of what I'm talking about once I gather them all

EDIT: here they are

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I know I'm not who you asked but I might know what a couple of these are:

• I'm pretty sure that image of Kumonga is him using his stinger since it only appears in front of him briefly and does significant damage, with his other attack being him spitting webbing since that attack looks very similar to the Mothra Larva's attack.
• I think those attacks from Gezora are just meant to be his tentacles and Godzilla in white is him being frozen. However, I'm less sure of this one due to their odd behaviour.

I have no clue for King Caesar or either of Gigan's attacks outside of them being projectiles. I guess finding the game's manual would also be helpful in founding out what some of these are (since we don't seem to have a link to it on the game's page) but I have no idea where to look for that.

(also, thanks for correcting my shuriken edit a few days ago, I should've checked before making that change)

see that's what I thought for kumonga, but then I got confused cause the close up attack looked like webbing to me while the other looked like a stinger projectile due to how things it was. as for gezora, I never really thought of it that way, they looked like tidal waves to me but tentacles makes more sense. for king Caesar, I was thinking maybe it was a projectile from his crown's horn, if that makes any sense. as for gigan, no clue what the one from the mouth is, but I think the crescent ones are supposed to be some type of variant of the forehead laser

also yeah, having a manual would help out a lot

You could say King Caesar and Gigan are firing "small, curved energy projectiles" or similar. For the others, I'd want to see footage.

gotcha. here's footage for the kumonga stuff (timestamp is 8:45): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWsZbwGKo2M

as for the other guys, they're all in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UBGlSI_K2Y

timestamps are 4:32 for KC, 5:55 for gigan, and 13:05 for gezora

added the horn slash for KC and glowing projectiles from forehead for gigan, also bump

Kumonga is definitely using a web attack and a stinger attack. Caesar is interesting because the projectiles are the height of his entire head... couldn't say where they're coming from specifically. With Gigan I'm more confident that they're coming from his beam aperture, as you wrote on the page. Agreed with Titanozilla2023 that Gezora is attacking with tentacles, but I don't think we can say the white is Godzilla being frozen; he and other monsters frequently flash white when they're hit.

ok, going off what you wrote, I'm gonna include the web thing for kumonga, and as for gezora how does "In the Godzilla, King of the Monsters Game Boy game, Gezora can launch his tentacles through the water to attack Godzilla." sound? there's probably a better word than launch but its the only one that came to my mind at the moment

"extend his tentacles across the water", maybe. "Launch" makes it sound like they're departing from the rest of his body.

got it, used the word extend like you said

hey ABB, sorry if I've been asking you too many things recently but I wanted to clear something up with you. regarding the removal of the heat absorption section I initially put, I was A. wondering what you think it might be instead cause to me it seemed like he absorbed the flames that set him on fire and turned it into a golden energy and B. I wanted to make note of it cause its not mentioned anywhere on his page or the final wars page in general. was hoping his section in the super complete works would say anything about it, but nothing there either

As I left a message on Avant Gamera, I unintentionally added a misinformation years ago. Can't remember whether or not it was on Wikizilla or Gojipedia (when I added this). This book is out of print and was very difficult to get one, it took me 2 years to buy it. Now I have almost all publications about Gamera the Brave (except an one shot manga and the official blog), and the rest of the contents are so far correct. If needed to verify the articles, I can take photos and upload them. Best regards. DreamBrisdin (talk) 17:05, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey, good on you for tracking down that book and catching the mistake. Definitely sounds like one of the most interesting kaiju novelizations out there.

Thanks so much! Indeed it is, with this book I can see that the Brave was originally meant to have sequels (which was briefly mentioned in Heisei Gamera Perfection), and Rebirth apparently reused some of ideas from this book.

There are next to nothing about details of this book on the internet even in Japanese (literally nowhere, including Wikipedia and any other wiki-esque websites). Only a small part of its details, such as "Showa enemies appears", were available.

I couldn't find any online bookstores selling it. I once asked the National Library to send me copies of it (I need to pay for it), but was turned down due to copyright issues (it was also during COVID pandemic, so I gave up to visit the library).

Finally, I found a person willing to sell a secondhand, but the price he offered was ￥30,430 (its original price is ￥1,650). But I had no other choice. Because the price is almost the same as the National Library.

(Before my request was turned down, the library calculated the price to send me the copies of all pages, and it was about the same, so it is possible that this person did set a price based on this.)

Sorry for an irrelevant story. But I was lucky to get one in the end. The links below shows its original price.

https://www.hmv.co.jp/artist_%E8%95%AA%E6%9C%A8%E7%B5%B1%E6%96%87_000000000278917/item_%E3%81%A8%E3%82%82%E3%81%A0%E3%81%A1-%E5%B0%8F%E3%81%95%E3%81%8D%E5%8B%87%E8%80%85%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A1-%E3%82%AC%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9_3470304

DreamBrisdin (talk) 18:43, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

That's an extraordinary price. In the States, the prices for kaiju goods also tend to skyrocket once they're discontinued, but the highest prices tend to be reserved for toys. I'm not sure I've ever seen a book go that high.

Sorry for delay, I've been busy. Yeah the price was incredible. There is also a book "Gamera Chronicles". I want to buy it, but it is ￥46,609 on Amazon...

Hi Astounding,

Do you by chance have or know of anyone that has the Power Multimedia Godzilla DVDs from all of the last five films from the 1970's? It's hard to track down all of them so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I don't, sorry. If you just want information on them, I believe Digital Monster Island has reviews of the lot.

Thanks for the reply I appreciate it.

Good afternoon,

If it's not too much trouble, can you change my username to KaijuKiin?

Thank you in advance.

You go to your profile, press edit profile then change your username

I looked through my profile and I cannot find that option.

Johnny is wrong, only an admin can change your name. I can do that for you now

hey ABB, wanted to come to you about something I've been wondering about recently. so as you might know, Unleashed gave most of the playable kaiju official height and weight stats. would those stats qualify for the height and weight categories for each respective kaiju, and if so, do you mind if I add them?

Sure, makes sense.

cool, cool. I might need some help with it, so that would be appreciated if you can

mainly what I mean by that is that I've sourced images before, but it counts them as 2 separate ones (examples are on varan's page and wargilgar's)

Hi ABB,

I got the 7:15 to 7:30 runtime from the blue text on the back of this CD case, which contains music for the first Adventure! Godzilland. File:Dtfhbkb .jpeg

It (roughly) states, “ "Adventure/Godzilland" will be broadcast every Thursday from 7:15 a.m. to 7:30 from October 1, 1992”. There’s no runtime indicated on the second CD (the one for Adventure! Godzilland 2), so maybe it’s different for that one? Either way, would it be okay to add this back into the article, or should it be left out?

Thank you!

Sure, I'll add it back in with the source, thanks for the clarification!

If said two episodes were first officially released on Netflix in 2010, then this fact should also be mentioned in the first entry of the Trivia section of the Mill Creek Entertainment page and somewhere in the Trivia section of the Godzilla: The Series page. Could you please do this, as I don't know that much about it and it looks like you do? Thanks!

I don't think that's warranted, but I removed the sentence on the Mill Creek page about the unaired episodes never having been available prior to the DVD.

Hi Astounding,

There's something I wanted to address in regards to Godzilla popular culture and I wanted to see if you'd agree with this or not. In the series finale of Power Rangers: Dino Thunder, the main antagonists Mesogog appears and uses these dino gems to form into a more monstrous version of himself than what he already was and as a result he looks almost entirely identical to Spacegodzilla. Here's an image through RangerWiki,https://powerrangers.fandom.com/wiki/Mesogog?file=Mesomonster_Full_Body.png#Mesomonster

His roars don't sound like Spacegodzilla's but his physical appearance stays looking like him until they finally kill him at the end of the fight. So I add this? And also a bonus question how did Disney not get sued by Toho over this? Because it looks pretty obvious to me like this wasn't a coincidence.

We have very different definitions of "almost entirely identical" - to me they look nothing alike besides the shoulder spikes. And from RangerWiki's description, Mesomonster's spikes are purely decorative, rather than being used to perform attacks or absorb energy. SpaceGodzilla also isn't a terribly well-known Toho monster, and therefore less likely to be homaged in other works. I'm comfortable calling this a coincidence.