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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

Ghidorah in “Kemeno Michi”

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Walterzilla (talkcontribs)

In chapter 37, there’s a dragon named after Ghidorah, told by one of the characters kemono-michi-natsume-akatsuki-scans/37

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm surprised that they just straight up call it "Ghidorah" - I take it this is a scanlation? This is certainly something that could go on the Godzilla in popular culture page, but you would want to confirm the name isn't just the translator having some fun.

Walterzilla (talkcontribs)

It’s not a fan translation, it’s real

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Who's publishing it in English? I couldn't find anything.

Walterzilla (talkcontribs)

But if you continue to read, they refer the name to a giant sea monster that has 3 heads that you’ll see

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm aware; that was not at all my question.

Walterzilla (talkcontribs)

How was it overall?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Couldn't tell you; I just read enough to confirm what you were saying.

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

i honestly don't know why I'm asking in this talk and not shin godzilla's talk, but there is a game that i play a lot called godzilla daikaiju battle royale and it has shin godzilla. is it just forgotten to put on the page or is something wrong that makes it not on the page? im not adding because i have no idea cause im still under a month old with my account to this site.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Daikaiju Battle Royale is a fanmade unlicensed game it doesnt count.

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

thx so godzilla omniverse doesnt count either.

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

i (think i) know the answer, no need to reply

Infodump crap

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Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I honestly forgot to even mention this assuming no one cared but.

I actually have like a doc of the entire program however the person who obtained it only took photographs and not scans, idk if you want it but here it is.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rv3DWefxkyOVedWE1L7wvJhSDL5Js8_z/view?usp=drivesdk

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Thanks for this - they may not be scans, but they look pretty clear.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Decided to change the topic to just an Infodump whenever i find random stuff if you don't mind

So a new Trailer for Troll dropped and idk if its me at all but i feel there is heavy Kong Skull Island influence (and Honestly a MonsterVerse vibe overall) Going on but with no insight from the director (do they even do interviews for Netflix films?)

i doubt it will join the lineup here but worth checking out for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiohkY_XQYQ

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I've seen it (really impressive stuff). The trailer definitely isn't enough to qualify it, but we'll have to wait on what the whole thing is like.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

It surely does fit the genre from everything i see so far, though I'm aware that's not in itself a qualifier

I also think we should wait and see if any interview materials come out as well it may give us insight on what films influenced Roar Uthaug but i do think name dropping King Kong in the trailer was a bit on the nose and wears its (possible) influence on its sleeve.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

delete

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

nevermind

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Possibly; we don't have Scope rules for comics yet, and these shared universes can get pretty complicated.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I don't think that will factor into whatever decision we make.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

so there's this game coming out by Skydance that surprisingly seems to shamelessly rip off the design of Titanus Behemoth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFTBVvPS3GE

not sure if its trivia worthy but its certainly an oddity i wanted to show

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The text doesn't seem to commit to saying that Godzilla is more likely to be one type of prehistoric marine reptile over another. That's reflected in the incarnation page.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's good to hear, although I don't think this is enough to update our page yet.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I wasnt posting it as a justification to update

I just felt like you should know

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/cloverfield-15th-anniversary-matt-reeves-interview-monster-origin

New interview with Matt Reeves says Clover is an Alien creature


"It’s alien. In fact, at the end of the movie, you can see the moment when it comes to [Earth]. It's another one of those little Easter egg moments, but when we revisit that footage where they’re on the Ferris wheel at the end, you can see the meteor flying down and hitting the ocean. That’s actually the beginning of the baby being on Earth."


However this contradicts the ARG lore and what abrams has said about the creature

“He’s a baby. He’s brand-new. He’s confused, disoriented and irritable. And he’s been down there in the water for thousands and thousands of years.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20080118084357/http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2008/01/15/cloverfield-production-notes/


Should these conflicting statements be added to clovers page.?

Also side note but he also expressed doing another cloverfield movie

But about a virus.

I feel that should be mentioned somewhere but idk where besides the Cloverfield franchise page but idk what section it would fit in.

Video games dates

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MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Shouldn't the collaborations games list states the games' release date? Instead of when the monsters were added?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Either option has the potential to confuse. Use the years the games were launched and you obscure the chronology of each kaiju's video games appearances, but use the years kaiju were added to the games and you suggest that those years were when the games were launched. I think the chronology should take priority, but it would probably be best to add a clarifying note in such cases. I'm unsure exactly how to concisely word that though.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Most are missing that info on their own pages, it seems, and just listing the season doesn't say much without context. I'd rather see the note say "Game initially published in 2021" or similar and the year after Godzilla Battle Line changed accordingly in those lists.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

What if we use tt ?

example: 2021

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Mouseover text is problematic in general because you can't access it on mobile; it should really be phased out sitewide, although that's an even bigger project.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Then how about (2021; Added in 2022) ??

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Then you're still (presumably) not ordering the games by when the kaiju actually appeared in them.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Im not sure how anyone could confuse the release year of the game if you specify that kaiju being added to it in added in another year.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's not the issue; the issue is how you order the games once you've added that information. I'm going to try it out with Mothra's list right now, because I don't seem to be explaining it very well.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Third option looks best imo, i dont agree with the first option i think specification when they were added is needed with this kind of thing

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Option 3's acceptable to me. I don't love seeing, say, 2006 under 2014, but it does get the chronology of Mothra's appearances across (and is much easier to implement than option 1).

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

I vote for option 3 (second now) as well.

Les (talkcontribs)

There's a similar dilemma with the real people's filmographies. Historically I've listed TV shows by the year of their first episode which has the benefit of requiring no other knowledge about the person's time on the show, but it doesn't necessarily document their career in the order it happened.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

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MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

I just saw that there is "Boku & Dragons (2015; added in 2022)" in Mecha-King Ghidorah's list, so, it was aproved already? If it has, I can edit the games lists eventually.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I've been slowly rolling it out. The sandbox linked above now has every Godzilla game/collaboration in chronological order.

Baby Gamera from DBZ

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Shin evangelion (talkcontribs)

Hi ABB I do have a question that has been floating in my head since the reveal of Gamera Rebirth. Is Rebirth going to be the first Anime Appearance or Would it be Baby Gamera from Dragon Ball Z?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Up to you; we don't count DBZ in Gamera's filmography simply because (as far as I'm aware) it's not a licensed appearance.

Short pages and Demeking things again

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CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

hey sorry to bother you but if there isn't already a sandbox of Demeking's eggs, could I make it? Since quite a few kaiju that appear for less than 10 seconds get a page, such as Giant Lizard and Maneater, I wouldn't see the problem of a short page.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I don't think eggs really warrant a page.

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

same


i was just asking a question, to whom who definetly knows the answer(but they are a seperate entity, to be fair)

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

oh yeah, another quick question. I've seen some people have entire pages on themselves? How do you make one, and what are they even for(someone called themselves a kaiju pony). I just want to know what they are, how to make them and waht they're for

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Those are just a way for people to talk about themselves more extensively than the user pages allow. Yours is here.

CybaWrecker10 (talkcontribs)

Thanks again

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Certainly!

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

Hello, I'm GoldenGoat2000

I'm a moderator on Gojipedia, and I've been gone for a little while and missed whatever just happened on Gojipedia. And I just wanna talk to you without any of my piers interrupting. I've read through the entire post on Gojipedia about the plagiarisms and i am still rather confused, can you tell me what happened? I just want to resolve any tension before all hell breaks loose.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)
GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

A few Gojipedia mods have been raging about old posts I made for several months now, to the point of convincing themselves that I was secretly responsible for the same plagiarism from Wikizilla I had frequently removed from Gojipedia. I noticed a plagiarized page last night (Francisca), reverted it, and they hit the roof. They also hid the edits (both the initial plagiarism and my own) and deleted the page entirely, for some reason, so I understand your confusion!

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

That was primarily Scribelord. He's a good enough admin, but he gets into a lot of drama.

I'm sorry on behalf of the rest of the moderation team. There's still a bit of bias towards our own site over there, but Scribe is the only one who actively looked for a fight. And if you ever need any help with plagiarisms, talk to me. I'll be happy to help

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'd definitely appreciate it if someone was keeping a closer eye on things. The way we root out plagiarism on Wikizilla is this: when a new user or someone who's been caught plagiarizing before makes a large edit, you Google the first sentence or two in quotation marks to see if anything pops up. If it does, you've got yourself a plagiarist. This also applies to edits that seem suspiciously well-written compared to what the user has done in the past.

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

I'll get in touch with Linden (the admin that does the most with pages). We'll look at things.

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

Me again,

Is there any article relating to the King Kong T rex saying anything like this:

  • In the 2005 version of King Kong, instead of a Tyrannosaurus rex, three similar dinosaurs called Vastatosaurus rex, or "V. rex," appear. According to Peter Jackson, V. rex is the result of Tyrannosaurus rex living isolated on Skull Island and evolving over millions of years.
GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

The edit came from an old account from the pre-fork days, and just edited some King Kong related stuff recently. I think it smells of fish

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Yes, that's mentioned on page 62 of The World of Kong: A Natural History of Skull Island. However, Peter Jackson didn't write that book.

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

Ok thaks. It was a recent edit from a seemingly inactive account, and when I copy pasted Wikizilla's article came up first.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Oh, I misunderstood the question. I think you checked the wrong paragraph; that one was already on Gojipedia's page prior to today's edits.

GoldenGoat2000 (talkcontribs)

ah, alrighty

Goodbye Old Friend question

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MBtooth (talkcontribs)

Hey, I noticed you brought back a line that wasn't in the song? There isn't a "lū šalmāt ibrī ša libbiya" on the second verse. I'm also a bit confused on how to note something.

VaderRaptor (talkcontribs)

The twitter post says otherwise

VaderRaptor (talkcontribs)

You can literally hear it in the song too

VaderRaptor (talkcontribs)

3:36 is the timestamp in the Spotify version

NES Godzilla Creepypasta?

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Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Given the purge of certain fan content is there a reason why it still has a page?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It will probably get axed when we assess the video games (although I guess it's both fan game and fanfic). Turns out it has its own wiki, so that wouldn't be a huge deal.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Speakimg of creepypastas.


I marked another thing to be deleted but no one ever bothered.

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/User:Redlin_Ranger/Sandbox

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Nevermind

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i want to make an arguement i think human beings with paranormal powers should be featured in the Appearance sections in some form


Especially if they are like mainly the only thing in a movie thats covered.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Toho Kingdom has a page for psychics in the Heisei series; I could see us doing similar with a page that just overviews all psychics featured in media covered by the site. Then you could have under the second column in Appearances:

  • Psychics
    • Reiko Kudo
    • Reiko Fukao

While I'm thinking of it, the name for that second column should really be retooled. Having "Weapons, vehicles, and races" on the Reiko page, for instance, looks silly when psychics aren't really any of those things. ("Race" has long been inadequate to describe everything from aliens to fictitious ethnic groups like the Skull Islanders to now human psychics.) Ideally each instance of it on a page would exclude any categories that aren't in the work.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Theres quite a few other examples on the site that have that section where some stuff in it doesnt fall under it though.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Well, yes. I'm saying that's not ideal.

Notifications keep going off over user trying to Repeatedly add me as foe when i dont want to entertain the idea, what do i do?

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Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's a first. A warning should suffice.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Im not entirely sure how they can do that i checked myself to see of there was an option to add someone as a foe and i couldnt find it

Idk how they are doing it.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I figured it out, but I'd rather not encourage anyone by explaining how to do it. Pretty pointless feature for a collaborative encyclopedia.