Same species directly confirmed.
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well uh we just today now have a separate classification section for monsters now i dont think this matters anymore
and i don't think them being the same species is even what the admins was questioning you are misconstruing the issue
That’s literally what the issue was… they wanted a confirmation that the 2014 pair aren’t Titanus MUTO and proof they are Titanus Jinshin-Mushi.
that’s literally what it was about
They no longer are applying the titanus designation to the entire species.
and frankly im becoming irritated about all of this.
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They ARE Titanus Jinshin-Mushi
The 2014 MUTOs are part of a subspecies of MUTO Prime, per Prime's bio in Aftershock. That does not contradict Nelson's statement.
Still says they are the same species, so they are “?” Jinshin-Mushi, the Jinshin-Mushi is the direct species name. We just don’t know the first part yet.
I forgot about Kong’s, but yes he is Apus Kong.
that’s actually what I was trying to find yesterday to prove the point that “Titanus” is a [Redacted] to hide the genus
I can accept sub-species but they are still a species of Jinshin-Mushi… so that should be left in
You have yet to substantiate this genus business. I am not convinced their classifications have anything to do with their species.
Birth of Kong, you commented on the Apus Kong, that’s it right there.
if you mean the Jinshin, am I a subspecies of my genetic birth mother? So would an animal be a subspecies of their parent?
But the problem is you're making assumptions to reconcile the discrepancies in information. It has never been said that Kong's species is "Apus Kong." We have the profile saying the genus is Apus, and a title for Kong himself that's "Titanus Kong." You're putting the two together without proof that the latter half of "Titanus Kong" is supposed to be part of his binomial name. If you actually have a source that says this is the case, then I'd be happy to look at it, but just going 'duh it's obvious' is not going to get us anywhere.
Legendary drops hints for us to find… that’s part of the hype up for the MV.
If something is there it’s for a reason, that’s part of this.
You may see it that way, but that is far too subjective for a factual website. I would rather be vague than say something confidently that is based in assumption.
The source as is IS BoK…
For example Dominion confirmed how old Godzilla is via hints, I asked and Greg confirmed it. FYI he was born in the Pliocene 5-2 mil years ago in Madagascar,
I'm highly doubtful "Apus Kong" is said anywhere in Birth of Kong. All the bio says is the "Apus" part and you're assuming the second half. That's not how a citation works.
Anyway I’m dropping it… time will tell and that’s all I’ll say to you on that.
you do you I guess 🤷♂️
Sure, but I'd much rather be on the side that doesn't have to backtrack when new info is put out. Avoiding stating something that isn't confirmed means it's no harm no foul if something is revealed. Meanwhile, if you go off of assumption then there is the chance that you've stated something that isn't true.
While I can’t provide absolute proof… just gonna say if I’m saying something then I was told it by an official source or shown something from a reliable source…
But reminder… I said Godzilla wasn’t as old as the Permian, I mentioned Amhuluk is a shapeshifter, I brought up a specific map everyone dismissed that locations from are showing up, and the Rock Critters and HE Lizards… (btw Legendary took the Titanus Doug name from someone on Twitter who said it as an April Fools joke, it’s a stolen joke) just to name a few…
All of those were confirmed eventually
I never just say things…
Then what you're saying now should be confirmed soon too, right? We waited for confirmation and got it, so why do anything different here?
I don’t know when or where but I’m sure things will be confirmed… I know we are getting bios for the Dominion Titans in the Omnibus, and they will have a LOT of new lore in the show.
I mean fair enough to wait on it. But the fact Titanus MUTO and Titanus Cranium Reptant are not canon is fact, anything with a scientific name outright given isn’t a Titan.
and a Titan’s offspring is the same species as them.
actually easier explanation, the femuto is to Prime what larva Mothra is to imago Mothra. Both stages of Mothra are Mothra.
It's true Femuto and Hokmuto are the same species as Prime, but they are a subspecies. What stops Monarch from giving them a different name?
In the same vein, the Skull Devil could be a subspecies of the Skullcrawlers, which is why it's so unusually large. I can't assert that as fact, but it would be an easy way to explain away "Titanus Cranium Reptant." It appears in GvK, so I don't see a reason not to accept it as canon if nobody has ever come out and said it should be disregarded. Wingard conceded it was a rush job, but not that it should be written off.
Also the Skulldevil is the mother of the Skullcrawlers.
I don't know if that's true, but it'd be the exact same situation as Prime. If anything, that means there's precedent.
It’s 100% confirmed fact…
forgot the timestamp but:
It was still featured in the movie even if it is iffy which is why its here to begin with.
Mothras larva was never called a subspecies its just the actual bio info with prime calls her one despite being able to birth mutos despite how nonsensical it is.
So my point is a nymph is not a different species than it’s imago/parent’s form.
if it doesn’t apply to Mothra it doesn’t apply to the Femuto.
hokmuto is a drone… same species but he is just genetic material/a snack.
Legendary never called mothras forms subspecies but did call muto prime one despite being the mother of mutos thats just the information that was presented.
Also is the KOTM end credits that are not considered canon canon then?
im not sure what that has to do with anything or what you are alluding too
The stuff in the credits are not always canon.
and if something in the next movie retcons something we probably will change it too then.
Like nothing except from the end credits of KOTM happened.
except for Scylla ending up in South America to hibernate but that was happenstance as far as I or KDM know.
Scylla went to artic poles though
Nope, she never went to either pole in person… she went to sleep in a lake and started cooling the planet…
yes her ability is THAT overpowered.
This leads into something I forgot to mention that has been said on Titans officially… they effect the world around them in a terraforming sense… all of them do, even the Kongs (in an as of yet unknown way).
the Skulldevils/crawlers don’t.
The Skulldevil is just an adult Skullcrawler, no subspecies here… one species. As for the Titanus Cranium Reptant, remember what I said about stolen fanart I the last talk… that, it was stolen from DeviantArt or a YouTube vid if I recall? I wasn’t part of the group that went through the opening to find all stolen items. Like Ghidorah’s info box was jacked from the same source.
the subspecies thing in Primes bio is likely an error, much like it being bio-terrestrial where it should say bio-seismic given her powers.
there are errors here and there admittedly, including Apus… which probably was supposed to be Apeus cause Apus is a genus of bird.
Im not sure how the intro using fanart means we cant call them that.
Regardless if they was errors they cant be assumed it just needs to be presented with what it is.
Even if it's stolen, it appearing in the movie canonizes it (at least until it's retconned). We don't have the authority to say what is and isn't intentional. If something comes out that clarifies it, then we'll adopt that. But we can't be blamed for echoing what Legendary has said.
If it’s stolen it’s not canon because it’s not official…
It doesn't really matter who wrote it if it's in the movie. It becomes official until proven otherwise.
That’s not how it works… it was a rush job and they stole shit that contradicts everything up to that point..,
it’s not official, and obviously Legendary isn’t going to come forward and admit to it… just like the guy who came up with Titanus Doug isn’t seeing any of the royalties…
To make it clear if they admit fault to what the people who made the opening did they have to compensate the people who got plagiarized/got art stolen.
It's precisely how it works :P You can't say it's "not official" when it's literally in the movie.
It's just like the MUTOs' heights being typoed during the Watchalong and them doubling down that they're general sizes for the species. It doesn't matter where it came from or how much sense it makes, that's what Legendary has said. If they don't want it to be true, then they can publish something different in a later source, but right now we have nothing that contradicts it.
Wait just got it confirmed that Wingard did decanonize the opening in an interview or something by KDM from what he recalls .
I remember that and had to ask cause he has more info saved then even I do.
If it's included in KDM's book when it comes out, then it can be cited.
No it is one that is public just need to find it… unless it was on Instagram which is part of why I can’t prove some GVK stuff. Wingard deleted his insta account.
Reddit AMA that’s where he confirmed it. This was him confirming not to take it seriously:
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- The honest answer is we were finishing that title sequence while doing 200 other things during the pandemic and some things got a little overlooked. I regret that Kong's height is Skull Island size and not GVK accurate.”
We have literally everything from prior that contradicts it.
And no it’s not how it works.
they never corrected the Jinshin size thing because people have enough sense one would hope to figure out it was wrong using past information
Again you are massively assuming Legendary's intentions. I'm not interested in talking about theories.
Because pick and choosing…
that is canon info but isn’t acceptable for some reason. 🤷♂️
I don't think we were sure of its authenticity at the time, but it's worth revisiting. I don't remember much of what it said except that it had some contradictory stats.
Last time i remember it was apart of an officially Licensed product
But even when that got proven it still got rejected for some reason.
But yeah the stats was contradictory
The stats are almost 1-1 accurate to some official stats I’ve seen that are not public… like ghidorah’s wingspan.. that’s 100% accurate. As is Primes height.
cause there is no way Ghidorah has an 800ft wingspan like Rodan does
Hey can you source thw godzilla age thing i think its missing on the page
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he addressed this already and even then he said it didn't make sense but it is what it is
Dagon is a Titanus Gojira I had that also confirmed awhile ago.
I really dont care anymore.
Just going to leave this here and say check the comments…
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