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Don't be discouraged by the deletion of an article, do keep trying! It can be very hard to find a topic that is both relevent and hasn't been picked up by another user. Whilst the small creatures are almost certainly not new (and are most definitely just to serve as Kong's asthetic), there will be other things that you can create and work on. For instance, there is the Gyaos incarnation pages(A very important one):https://wikizilla.org/wiki/User:The_King_of_the_Monsters/Sandbox/Gyaos, and most of the GigaBash Kaiju:https://wikizilla.org/wiki/User:Zillaman98/Sandbox/Misc_Mons_and_Films.#Gorogong. The point is, while the small flying creatures are not significant enough to have an article for, there are other things that will need articles in the future and sandboxes around the Wiki that need some work and you could help improve on, so if your sandbox gets deleted, don't let be discouraged.

Okay. Thanks, but I don't have gigabash, so I'll have to do the Gyaos one.

Like I said, the main point is just that there are many articles and sandboxes that need work, I suggest looking at the Beurocrats' (such as AstoundingBeyondBelief, Les, and The King of The Monsters) user pages, as they list a bunch of sandboxes in the works. Thank you for being understanding.

I understand. I thought this was like Gojipedia, where they made articles for smaller creatures like the Giant spider found in Mothra's temple in KotM

Could I put the flying guys in the list of minor monsters?

Probably. They might still get removed, but that's not a bad idea.

It's the same problem - we don't have any idea what they are yet.

Oh yeah. They seem the same size as hellhawks, so they could just be that.

im glad you want to give Nebula a page but there was already a sandbox page for Nebula that was waiting to be worked on

i highly recommend you check the sandbox list page out next time to see what all has sandboxes that are waiting to be published as pages

Help:Sandboxes/List

Okay! thanks for adding my writing to the old one!

Is there a page for Gwoemul? I thought there was but I can't find it.

No, The Host doesn't qualify.

The Host unfortunately didn't fit within the Scope of what the website covers.

i recommend you check it out as well as the Sandbox list there's plenty of stuff there that needs some editing.

i also recommend looking into the Stubs category and Cleanup categories as well if you want something to edit.

Wait, why not? Gwoemul is a kaiju, and the spiritual successor to Godzilla? If Wikizilla is supposed to be a Kaiju wiki, why doesn't Gwoemul count?

If you read the scope you would know that we are not an "every kaiju and giant monster wiki"

and the Host as far as im aware wasnt inspired or influnced by godzilla .

I'm pretty sure it was influenced by Godzilla in a small way, considering how similar the movies are in a spiritual way, but theres nothing I can do to probve it.

Wait, why EXACTLY does gwoemul not fit the scope?

No idea why its not pasting but please read this.

I swear at one point there was a Gwoemul article. I feel like I remember it before I made this account.

There was a sandbox at one time, but that was back when we were basically just letting films in based on vibes (and it being one of the most esteemed giant monster movies ever made didn't hurt it either). I agree that kaiju eiga likely influenced it to some extent, but it's not practical for us to be that lenient about what we cover. The scope rules also don't take a film's quality into account (mostly).

Maybe you should add something in the rules about Gwoemul being the only exception because he's cool.

He literally just explained why we can't

Wait, why does colossal count but not gwoemul?

did you read the scope rules?

Non-Japanese, live-action films must either:

1. Include a giant monster and demonstrate significant influence from or on the Godzilla, King Kong, and/or Gamera series, beyond the mere presence of a giant monster.
2. Include a giant monster and share a director, special effects director, screenwriter, or suitmaker with the Godzilla or Gamera series. Assistant positions do not count.
3. Include at least one stop-motion giant monster animated by Willis O'Brien, chief animator for the original King Kong.
4. Be a remake of, or sequel/prequel to, another qualified film.

The following types of films will be automatically excluded:

1. Mockbusters of qualified films, unless they make significant use of practical effects. This does not necessarily exclude spoofs or parodies.
2. Films with extremely low production value (e.g. Ganjasaurus Rex and The Mighty Gorga).
3. Films which could be sufficiently covered by another available wiki.
4. Pornography.

Colossal falls under Number 1 because the director himself cited Godzilla multiple times

plus the Toho lawsuit is another reason i think its here

bong joon-ho has never outright cited godzilla as influnce.

I read the rules, but I didn't know about the Colossal influence or Toho lawsuit. Hypothetically, what if, one day, Gwoemul became a famous monster like Godzilla and king kong, and started a whole series of his own, with his own band of giant monsters to fight. What if his series became as influential as Godzilla and Gamera's. Would we add him as one of the monsters we can add? Like if we made the scope "the kaiju must be from either the Godzilla, King Kong, Gamera, or Gwoemul series". This doesn't just go for gwoemul, lets say any new kaiju rises to that status.

you are grasping at a hypothetical that will absolutely never happen as a justification.

the answer is still no.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I was just using Gwoemul as an example. I was saying if any other kaiju became as influential as the big three guys this wiki revolves around,with a large series and many oponents, would they be added into the mix? I'm not really trying to add Gwoemul anymore (it would be nice, but that's not what I'm trying to do).

Oh, you edited it, but I was responding to what you originally said.

if a hypothetical franchise or whatever used Godzilla as an influence then yes.

but i dont see any new kaiju franchises anytime soon.

But if Godzilla wasn't an influence, then, no matter how famous it (let's call this kaiju Daira, just because it sounds like a really generic kaiju name) became, it wouldn't be added? Like, what if other Kaiju popped up citing Daira as an influence?

No..

something being "Famous" has literally nothing to do with what the site covers

ABB just said Despite the host being one of the most highly regarded Monster movies it's not being covered because of the apparent lack of any outright Godzilla influence.

if that was the case then we would of been Covering the entirety of Attack on Titan here.

But i am curious

Lets try another hypothetical here

so hypothetically what if lets say Troll a film that didn't make the cut here for example has a sequel and it's directly said by whoever is working on the film to be based on Godzilla/Kong/Gamera or maybe even War of the Gargantuas.

How would this be handled?

Also, Rhedosaurus doesn't fit the scope. He is not influenced by King Kong, Godzilla, or Gamera (Especially since he predated the latter two), he doesn't share a director, screen writer, special effects director with Godzilla or Gamera (like I said, he came before them) and he isn't a sequel, prequel, or remake of any of the films.

the Rhedosaurus was an Influence on Godzilla it goes both ways

The hypothetical Troll 2 (cursed title, that) would qualify under rule 1 for miscellaneous films and Troll would thus qualify under rule 4. But The War of the Gargantuas influence wouldn't be a consideration.

Ah, okay then. Also, sorry if I seem annoying, I'm just trying to find things out because I'm curious.

And Zillaman's quite right; the wording is "influence from or on the Godzilla, King Kong, and/or Gamera series[.]"

(And no worries; I'll grant that the scope rules are extremely complicated. Still better than what we had, or didn't have, before!)

I just realized, the scope said " it must Be a remake, direct sequel/prequel, spiritual successor, or parody to a qualified film or series." If "The Host" is the spiritual successor to Godzilla, why doesn't it count?

because the director never cited godzilla as an influence

period.

You should step away; the condescension is getting excessive.

i apologize for that.

If another giant monster rose to the same level of fame as Godzilla, King Kong, and Gamera without qualifying for inclusion on this site, and if no wiki sprang up for its franchise, we'd certainly have a decision to make. But those are a couple of very big ifs.

What about something obscure?

Then no.

I'm going to start concept art for Daira right now, and try to get him to be that famous, and see what happens.

Another hypothetical question, what if a movie said Godzilla was a huge inspiration, but it wasn't a kaiju movie. Like, they say it was more of the human characters, and the meaning behind Godzilla that inspired their movie, would that count? What if there were futuristic robots similar to mechagodzilla (but more humanoid, and much smaller) and stuff, but no big monsters?

Help I made a mistake one the Godzilla minus one gallery where I accidentally deleted the chomping image from the screenshots. Can someone fix it? I dont want to make things worse by trying to fix it. Im very very sorry

On it

Thank you so much!! C:

uhhhh, it is not letting me undo the edit.

dont undo it, just add the chomping image back. The one where Godzilla is biting the train

oh ok. got it.

is it ok if I make a page for Gojira, the mythical creature of Odo Island the Big G is named after in the original movie?

I don't know what you'd really put there; it's left ambiguous whether the Godzilla of Odo Island folklore is a pre-mutation Godzilla, another creature, or just a legend.

oh ok