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Hey I found your sandbox listing all the dates in godzilla movies, but it hasn't been updated in like a year, are you still working on it or no? because i have been working on a timeline for all the movies and would be glad to help if you'd like

I don't mind. For the record, the intention of the page was to catalog precise dates though, including day and month, not just years.

As an aside, can you explain your findings about Godzilla vs. Mothra's placement? I'm aware that there's a monitor that says "December 16(?), 1992" but that occurs after the prologue and one-month timeskip, just before Battra awakens. Is there a December 1992 date shown during the prologue that supports the notion that everything post-timeskip is in 1993?

Okay cool, good to know, are you still working on it at all or nah?

The Dec 15, 1992 is the date shown for when the meteor crash lands at the beginning of the movie. later in the movie, the meteor crash is said to be "last month"

I haven't touched it in a while. It's one of those pet projects that's perpetually on the back burner, so feel free.

As for the meteorite, couldn't it just as easily be the case that it landed in November '92 and the timeskip is to December? There isn't a lot of context on the slide with the date to indicate whether it's the day the meteorite hit, the day the environmental readings are from, or just a simple timestamp of the current day. Personally though, I don't think it can be the date of the meteorite landing because it also says something like "Day 288" in the corner, which wouldn't make much sense. The only way we could know for sure is if there is a date shown during the NASA scene at the beginning, which is why I asked. I ended up checking myself and didn't spot anything obvious, but there's a line on the readout that starts with three characters (maybe a month abbreviation?) and seems to end with "12-1992." I can't make out the beginning unfortunately, even on a straight rip of the Sony Blu-ray.

Okay looking through the movie again, you may be right, the screen with the Dec 15, 1992 is showing the meteor's effect on the planet, so in context, it makes sense for it to be the current date, although it can be interpreted the other way. If we did that though it would mean the entire movie happens in 1992, which is not how the entire rest of the wiki places it. There's also the proximity to Christmas and it not going on, which is of course weak evidence, but it's still something. If you think the December date is referring to the current date, I wouldn't object, but that means GvM would need to be moved to 1992 all across the wiki

I think there is a third option, which is to just assume the timestamp is wrong. Generally I'm fine with running with onscreen dates if they're not contradicted, but 1993 seems to be the film's accepted setting (I found a passage from Godzilla Dictionary [New Edition] that says even the meteor crashing was in '93). That should probably be prioritized over a split-second '92 date that we can't even be sure of the implications of.

Worth noting the Heisei series has other dates we're forced to ignore too:

• Godzilla vs. Biollante's Memorial Lounge says The Return of Godzilla happened in 1985 and implies its own events are set in 1990 (the prop department even put a 1990 date on the letter Kirishima gets from MIT), but Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah places Biollante in 1989.
• A newspaper in King Ghidorah indicates Godzilla was created when Mikhail Gorbachev was General Secretary of the Soviet Union at the same time Gro Brundtland was Norwegian Prime Minister, which didn't happen in real life until 1986 (thus making TRoG impossible).
• A newspaper in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II strangely says Biollante happened in 1991.
• Security camera footage in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is timestamped Wednesday, July 19, which corresponds to 1995 and not '96.

Can we split the difference and say the meteor was in 1992 and the movie is the next month in 1993? I'm not sure about the wiki's policy on timeline stuff

Is there any source to support that? The movie certainly doesn’t say it.

That's why i said "split the difference" There's conflicting evidence because the movie itself doesn't support 1993, but official sources say so. So for the movie to still be used we have the meteor in 1992, but the movie in 1993 to still use official word

I don't feel that we have a strong enough case to run with that. There are no definitive timestamps during the prologue that place it in '92, and we can only infer from the present day seemingly being in '92. So if the only date in the movie is for the present day, and we're in agreement that that should be disregarded in favor of '93, then there is no longer anything to indicate the meteor was in '92. Plus as I mentioned, at least one book outright says the meteor falling was in 1993. I think it's a 'one or the other' kind of situation, and between '92 and '93, the latter is more widely accepted today.

Yeah that is fair enough

Something else to consider - the new Maser weapons seen in the film both have "93" in their names. Of course, the MBT-MB92 debuted in Godzilla vs. Biollante, so that naming scheme isn't airtight. (Some books, like Everything Godzilla: The Complete Super Encyclopedia and Godzilla Character Encyclopedia: Toho Special Effects Movie Complete History, call it the Type 89 to resolve this contradiction, but the name's written on the props, so it's hard to override.)

Yeah that's part of my point, 1993 seems to be like, widely regarded as factual, from encyclopedias and stuff, so that's why I was suggesting the meteor be 1992, that way the movie can fit into 1993 without ignoring the dates in the movie, just reinterpreting them. Tho i'm okay with either option

Hey On the sandbox it says that Invasion of Astro Monster is in October 1965,but at around the 1 hour ten minute mark in the movie there is a calendar that starts on a Sunday and ends on a Tuesday, the only month in 1965 that that fits is August

Took me a while to find, but I think what you're talking about is hanging behind Fuji when he's speaking to Glenn in the lab, right? (On the Criterion copy, it was around 1:14:00.) It looks to me like the big orange square says "10", as in October. It's far too blurry for me to be able to tell if the columns are labeled, but the numbers in the first column are clearly highlighted in that orangey color, which seems to be a practice done for Sunday - so yeah, the days seem to be wrong. I imagine it was not a real calendar, and the props department just goofed in designing it.

Yeah thats the one. Do you have the props that say October? I haven't been able to find them