Hey, I dunno if this is the right place for this (I don't know how to use the discussions ;w;), but I think Crocodile isn't an unreasonable entry for this wiki. Its a giant monster movie with special effects lead by Sompote Sands and Kazuo Sagawa, both former Toho special effects staff members. The influence from Godzilla is undeniable in my opinion. It doesn't seem too far fetched compared to things like Yongary ('67) and Pulgasari, both of which were also Asian monster movies influenced by Godzilla with Japanese effects staffs, but its agree to disagree.
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We have more specific criteria than that; please read the rules in the page I linked.
Tagging Deathgilas to join this conversation in case they don't see the talk page.
We can't keep the page in limbo forever. I'll give y'all until Friday (one week from the sandbox's creation) to make a case for it before I delete it.
"A reptilian animal is irradiated by the arrogance of man via nuclear testing and grows to giant size. After a storm, said animal appears, in which it attacks parts of the country. A group of people go out to sea to stop it, and in which one of the people sacrifices themselves to kill it." Both of these plot synopsis can refer to the plot to either Godzilla (1954) or Crocodile. Not only that, but the 2 directors of special effects (Sompote Sands and Kazuo Sagawa), even if they weren't the special effects director, still worked on the production of King Kong vs. Godzilla. I feel both these should at least make it possible for Crocodile to be relevant to Wikizilla.
Loosening the scope rules to encompass minor staff members is a nonstarter, but this is sufficiently intriguing to look into further. From synopses online, it does sound like it owes much more to Jaws though.
Finally gave it a watch—I'm afraid it doesn't clear the "significant influence" bar. The monster's nuclear origin is only mentioned in passing and has no real bearing on the plot, it never attacks a city or engages the military, and the sacrifice to kill it doesn't even happen in the original version of the film. It is plainly, however, a Jaws knockoff. The staff connections are, for our purposes, irrelevant.
Giving another week-long grace period before it's deleted so y'all can preserve your work. It will be deleted on June 9.
Understood. While we're on the topic of new pages, would any of these films be within scope?
- Young Flying Hero (1970) - The Founding of Ming Dynasty (1971) - Who Killed The Frog (1982, lost) - King of Snake (1984? 1987?)
All feature giant monster(s) attacking cities (I suppose in 1 and 2s case, palaces) and I believe some have special effects work done by Japanese crew. Just want to check with you that these pages would remain before I get to working on anything.
"Who Killed the Frog" is not lost, just exceptionally rare and *probably* not available online.
I don't know if it qualifies, but IMO it makes sense to wait until it turns up.
Who specifically worked on them? To qualify they need to "share a director, special effects director, screenwriter, or suitmaker with the Godzilla or Gamera series." I know King of Snake doesn't qualify, because its sandbox got deleted when we adopted the scope.
And to clarify, "sharing" one of those staff means two movies have the same person working in the same position. E.g., Toho intern Sompote Sands directing Crocodile's special effects ❌, Godzilla-series SFX director Teruyoshi Nakano doing the effects for Daiei's Tokyo Blackout ✅.
I know The Founding of Ming Dynasty was done by Koichi Takano, who never did a Godzilla movie. King of Snake was Kazuo Sagawa, who also has only tenuous relation. All of them could probably only qualify by influence, which seems unlikely.
If you're looking for a project to tackle, I would recommend one of the dozens of red links that are already on Wikizilla:Scope.
If it brings any comfort, THIS “crocodile” fares for qualification to an extent that a distinct film of the same name will NEVER reach.
I'm not sure why it would. A film either qualifies here or it doesn't.
Fast forward to 2060:
The Earth is recovering from its latest and most damaging mass extinction. The Internet survived, but the people around to use it face a tremendous decline in intellectual capabilities and sophistication. Wikizilla survived, but the people are completely replaced by a generation that can’t fathom the past regulations and standards for a Wikipedia.
Alright