Topic on User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief

so out of curiosity i decided to check it out and well...it doesn't seem to be looking too hot, this fan made monster (dunkleo) was made december 7th and no one has bothered to take it down and is one of many numerous fan made kaiju being added on the wiki, there's also fan designs for various unseen canon kaiju as well that's being added and nothing has been done about it, it seems the wiki is all but abandoned by actual staff, i haven't checked any other canon pages to see if they have been vandalized with false information however, im aware we don't cover PR anymore but i was curious on what you think about this situation and what should be done?

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A few more examples i have discovered too of fan designs and fan made kaiju, i also discovered outright false information such as pages of locations being added that never was apart of canon

for example Kuala Lumpur has a page and claims the Kaiju Hundun attacked it, Hundun never canonically attacked Kuala Lumpar and attacked Manila.

this doesn't seem good at all and i feel we cannot rely on the wiki anymore, i recall cloverfield was adopted due it's wiki being abandoned correct?

i know the films don't fit the current site scope but if an exception could be made i could help with putting together the basic outlines of some of the Kaiju/Jaeger pages if in the very slim chance we decide to take over from here, im aware it's a bit of an big undertaking but i would be willing to at least try and do some basic starter work on it if need be whenever i had time. (mostly design, abilities and stats as history is not my strong suit),

it's just the state of the site is really bad and im not sure what to do exactly since i fear my attempts to clean it up might just be reverted and i don't know what is accurate lore/information and couldn't tell if any existing movie Jaeger or Kaiju pages are vandalized exactly, but i just feel something needs to be done but i have no clue what.

ABB will probably have something more insightful to say, but I think he would agree with me that absorbing the PR Wiki is too much. Even when we covered the films, we didn't include the kaiju, characters, comics, etc. - and there are a lot more of all of those than in the Cloverfield series.

Also differently from Cloverfield is that the Pacific Rim movies don't qualify here. For as big as an undertaking as it would be to adopt and maintain an entire other website's worth of pages, the subject should fit the site more naturally than us having to bend over backwards to make a special exception. If you want to propose an amendment to the scope, I don't mind hearing it out, but I still don't anticipate that being worth the trouble.

If the site truly has been abandoned, it's definitely sad to see, but I guess I just don't find it to be our responsibility.

I would argue and say it has less content and stuff than the Godzilla franchise does, i would be willing to partially tackle kaiju/jaegers hypothetically, i think some other users here might be as well if such was ever allowed, it might take years but lot of things here already do.

(Example: a good bit of Shin Godzilla characters are missing.)

As for scope i already stated i was aware of the current rules, but i recall i heard a reason for cloverfields absorbtion was due to abbandonment if i recall?, i cant think of anything specific except for the exc producer connection, wasnt Thomas Tull an excutive producer for the first film? Thats all i got unless Del Toro explicitly cited Godzilla influnce somewhere.

I also think it might not be that great of an idea to have such as an affilate (linking pages to it's site as well) if it's inserting such falsehoods onto it's site now.

Replying to something that was added in a later edit:

The Clover Wiki is kind of a moot point because, like I said, we would've covered the series on account of the first movie anyway.

i could of sworn i heard somewhere that if a major kaiju franchise didnt have an up to standard wiki that this site would step in, might of been before scope though.

As far as I know, the only sites we've ever truly absorbed were the Gamera and King Kong wikis, and that was before my time. It can't really even be said that we "absorbed" Clover Wiki because we didn't copy over any of their pages or anything. We've basically just indirectly succeeded them.

It having less content than the Godzilla series is a given, but it's still an entire media franchise we're talking about. ABB and I are the only staff actively patrolling edits right now, and we can barely keep up as it is (not to mention I'm not even particularly interested in Pacific Rim).

I could see scrubbing the connections to PR Wiki if it really is the Wild West, sure. But I'd like to try reaching out to the staff first.

I am not aware of who the staff is so my imput on that ends there

There was several more fan made kaiju/fan designs and location pages not apart of the franchise, i didnt link, all of which appeared to have been there for months on end with no action taken which lead me to think the site is abandoned and that there is no staff, i recall some vandalism on the breach wars mobile game page as well changing jaeger names entirely, i would post more pics but now isn't the time.

I think we should welcome Pacific Rim, but that's just me.

Bumping to see what ABB thinks.

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I don't know why you're pestering me about not responding promptly to a topic you posted on Christmas Eve. I'm still catching up with all the edits since then.

Wikizilla covering Pacific Rim is arguably less feasible now than it's ever been, given the avalanche of Godzilla/Gamera/Kong media released this year and on the way next year. While obviously not a Godzilla-sized franchise, we're still talking about a wiki with over 1,000 pages. For now, it would be much simpler to just periodically check the wiki's Recent Changes for any fanon/other vandalism and revert it. I see that someone has started doing just that since you posted this topic.

I'm less opposed than Les to a merger down the road, but we would have to amend the scope rules for it. The obvious move is to create a ruleset for Legendary Pictures films, as we've done for Toho and Kadokawa. But besides Pacific Rim and the Monsterverse, Legendary's giant monster movies (e.g. Dune, Clash of the Titans, Jack the Giant Slayer) aren't in the kaiju tradition. I don't think we have much business covering them. They also haven't produced much in the way of original giant monster stories besides Pacific Rim, so the case for putting them on the same level as Toho and Daiei is weak.

We would also need buy-in from the current Pacific Rim Wiki staff to copy their pages over. Like Les, I wasn't around for the early days of Wikizilla, but considering how plagued with plagiarism it used to be, I don't know how above-board the "absorption" of the Gamera and Kong wikis was. Probably not a great precedent.

Whatever we decide to do about the problem of a seldom-moderated affiliate wiki, I agree with Les that it should start with the staff here getting in touch with the staff there.

I certainly hope that the vandalism is being delt with now,

Couldn't a shared exc producer connection be done without an entire Legendary scope section?

Im aware it probably wont happen but i also offered to do some of the monster stuff myself and feel the wording would be diffrent enough from the site since i feel its not as formated cleanly, but i assume we couldnt go ahead and do it without that wiki being aware?

I know we got a Neronga page and i feel it's diffrent enough from ultra wiki's but ultimately i respect whatever choice is taken.

Thomas Tull produced the three Legendary giant monster movies I named as problematic and then some, so that wouldn't solve the issue.

We wouldn't need permission from the Pacific Rim Wiki staff to just write our own pages, true, but we would need colossal amounts of time, more than I think is realistic. Setting aside the time to cover recent kaiju films outside of our core franchises has always been difficult - this wouldn't help, to put it mildly.

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