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Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Am I the only one that tries

to make a reply to an specif comment, but it just appears as a reply in a different comment? It happens all the time, and I hate it.ic

You know what?

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Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

You know what? I'm making a new article, about a character from the giant claw movie, and I do not care if you're gonna delete it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

You could just actually read the scope and rules

If you dont like stuff being deleted you know.

Les (talkcontribs)

Please don't edit out of spite. I admire your drive to contribute, but as Zillaman said, there are a list of movies and games at Wikizilla:Scope which we'd prefer you put your energy into.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Come on! Why can't I make a page about something that's not covered yet? Everything else I could think of is covered, for shit!

Les (talkcontribs)

The scope list has many redlinks for things that are not covered yet. It's just that the things you're trying to add don't qualify for the site.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Yes. And I don't give 2 craps about the shit they've got there in the scope.



Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Then stop trying to add films that wont be covered then?

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

But those films for perfectly on the site!

Les (talkcontribs)

If you can justify including any of them using the rules we have written, then I'd be happy to hear you out. The belligerence isn't necessary.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

I first tried to make an article on a game inspired by monster movies like "King Kong" and " 20 million miles into the Earth", which haa the same feeling of those movies amd even spawned its own, which actually has an article here. I don't understand why wouldn't we cover the games, so that's why I tried making an article on the first one. It's got a relation with classic monster movies, which were covered long ago, why not make the article?


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Les (talkcontribs)

As I alluded to below, it's much easier to work kaiju references into a video game than an entire movie. There are countless games that are about giant monsters or otherwise feature a Godzilla/Kong expy. The video game rules do not have a provision for those kinds of connections for this reason.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I am convinced you haven't actually bothered to read any of the rules on what content gets allowed to have pages on the site or outright refuse to follow any of the rules.


And i really don't want to assume but im getting a little suspicious.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

I did read the rules, and everything that is covered is either approved or a sandbox, but I'm just willing to make a page from scratch, and everything I could think of already has an article, so what the fuck can I do??

Les (talkcontribs)

Plenty of the things listed have not been created nor have a sandbox. And even some of the ones that do have a sandbox might as well be from scratch.

In terms of movies, there's Tokyo Earthquake Magnitude 8.1, any of the Ultra Star God direct-to-video specials, Paco and the Magical Book, Orochi Strikes Again, Getting Any?, Kibakichi, the Zebraman duology, The World Sinks Except Japan, Assault Girls, G, the Gantz duology, Henge, Feng Shen Bang, The Super Inframan, The Snake Prince, The Cat, Snow Monster, and probably more that I skipped over.

With video games there are even more. There's a never-ending army of mobile games that've had crossover campaigns, plus a few undocumented console games.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I dont think any of us even have access to Paco and the Magical book?


What is that anway i saw it got added because of a giant monster but couldnt find anything.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

go look at the sandboxes and work on one of them??


Sandboxes are not the same as published articles they are not published and are unfinished work in progresses.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

There's surely an amount of abandoned sandboxes that no body will bother in editing.

Les (talkcontribs)

Wouldn't that be a prime opportunity for you to edit them, then?

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

No.

Les (talkcontribs)

I don't really understand what your goal is, then. I've given you options if you want to contribute.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I am actually confused at this point.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

I'm trying to make an article about giant monsters, the thing this website is based on. Not something no one gives a shit about.

Les (talkcontribs)

We're not an "any giant monster" wiki. The focus is Godzilla, Gamera, and Kong, and anything else must be sufficiently related to one or more of those three. That is what the rules emphasize. If you think there's something that fits that description but we haven't listed yet, then I'm all ears.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

How about covering stuff that's actually interesting and stays true to the wiki's purpose like Rampage games? I mean, there's an article on the movie, it doesn't make sense not to have articles on the video games.

Les (talkcontribs)

I explained to you the site's purpose, and the Rampage games don't fit that. We have the movie because of relation to Kong, but there are far more video games with references to kaiju than blockbusters; it simply wouldn't be feasible to cover them all.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

He just said that this isnt an "any Giant Monster Wiki"


when it comes to movies or TV the site covers stuff if it was it was influnced by the 3 franchises or influnced by them.


or other films that had the share staff involved in them in a major way.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Then what the fuck do I make? No one gives a shit about a lot of sandboxes, and I'm not allowed to cover stuff.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

then edit the sandboxes yourself if nobody else is doing them?

Thats kinda literally the whole point why they are sandboxes is so they can be edited on while still being worked on.


We have a sandbox for george from the 2018 Movie

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

That article looks very complete to work on it, any change I'd put wouldn't change it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Its actually needs an overhaul on full history and a design section.

That is nowhere near complete.

Les (talkcontribs)

I also gave a list of examples of movies which have no sandbox at all, a lot of them involving giant monsters. If there's not a single thing on the Scope list that you are interested by, then I'm sorry, but I just don't think this is the right website for you.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

But those movies probably aren't even worth making an article, as they might not have anything to do with monsters, the three pillars of the site, or even be able to be covered at all.

Actually, I think I have nothing to do here. I'll just give up on making an article.

Les (talkcontribs)

Orochi Strikes Again, Zebraman, The Super Inframan, and Snow Monster all involve giant monsters and are all available with subtitles either online or on home video. Orochi has effects directed by Shinji Higuchi of Shin Godzilla fame and Snow Monster is a straight rip of Kong: Skull Island.

It's ultimately your right to decide what you work on, but I think you're judging these books strictly by their covers.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Why didn't anyone make a page out of them? Do they not care about those movies, even if they can be covered, or are they obscure or something? I think it's unnecessary to make articles out of them, because although they can be covered, they're obscure, and it wouldn't be much if they got articles? Why can we cover them, and not stuff that DOES have monsters, and might be even related to the 3 pillars? I know we can cover everything, but at least some new deserved articles would be good. But then again, if that's the case, I have nothing to do.

Les (talkcontribs)

When we tell you there are sandboxes that need editing, you say you'd rather make a page from scratch. I give you examples of pages that haven't been made yet, and you complain that nobody has made them yet. I sincerely do not understand what you want out of me.

I also don't know why you're still alluding to them as though they don't have giant monsters or aren't related to the three pillars, when I explicitly gave you options that have giant monsters, two of which are also related to Godzilla and Kong.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Im really confused myself

He said he did't want to do anything obscure yet he wanted to make the giant claw which most casual godzilla fans might not even know about.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

We literally have pages for multiple lesser known kaiju like Gappa, Guilala, Yonggary, ect


Obscurity doesnt matter.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

No one gives a shit about them, and getting even more obscure shit would not be necessary.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I dont get it what exactly are you wanting to even do

you insist you dont want to do anything lesser known than godzilla yet you want to make pages for the giant claw which is arguably. More obscure than a Godzilla kaiju yet you insist that nobody cares about those other monsters.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

It wasn't because it's obscure, but because I was trying to recreate a deleted article; the other movies didn't, and I think the monster deserved an article more than rhe other movies.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

it was deleted because it doesnt fall under the any of the qualifications

It wasnt based on any of the three

And it wasnt worked on by any shared staff.


Again this Isnt A Any Giant Monster Wiki for Every Giant Monster Media.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Then fuck it, I give up.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Where exactly are you even getting these box office numbers for Zebraman?


i don't even think it even had a worldwide theatrical release.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia isn't a source.

there's nothing on there that even states it had a worldwide theatrical release either.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

I changed it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

you still fail to provide any proof that Zebraman even had any Theatrical showing outside of japan which is a Bold claim.


i myself don't know much about the movie at all and maybe les might know more but i highly doubt it even got a theatrical showing in America at all.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Well, then. I'm deleting any writing about that.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The claim on Japanese Wikipedia has a source, and this New York Times review indicates some sort of theatrical release in NYC. Best to conduct a bit of research into claims before declaring them invalid.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Hey guys. Now that I'm making an article, would anyone help me on getting it approved?

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Guys, I'm making an article, but I need help, please. Idk where to start.

Keeri'ijra (talkcontribs)

You're doing very well so far!

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Nah, the article sucks, that's why I put it as a sandbox.

Ideas on the Blockbuster Monster movie plot?

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Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Forget the new Godzilla and Kong movie, now that we're getting a new Toho movie by November, what would you think it'll be? I know about the speculation that the movie will be about 2 Godzillas, but it might be fake. So, what do you think it will be? I think it'll be some sort of prequel to the original Godzilla movie, since it was confirmed it'll take place in post-war Japan, in the 40's. Maybe it will show the origin of Godzilla, and with the whole species being in war with humans, considering that in the original movie, Godzilla was said to be from the last ones of his species, and show how did Godzilla's species end up like that. Maybe it will dwell on some other stuff, the Odo Island, from the original film or something.

Keeri'ijra (talkcontribs)

I was thinking a similar thing, with it being a prequal situation. However, I also think that it may be possible that (given the stand-out setting date) the Godzilla featured in this film will be created from the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and/or Nagasaki rather than the H Bomb tests, and may end up being an even more wrathful Godzilla. I also once saw someone theorizing that Godzilla will replace the atomic bombs' role in history, with him being the thing to set the cities ablaze, but I really don't like that idea.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

I think it could also dwell on other things, like the creation of the oxygen destroyer.

Keeri'ijra (talkcontribs)

That would be very interesting!

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

Why?

Les (talkcontribs)

True

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The plot details you added to Gorgo hew very closely to what's on Wikipedia, which is against site policy. Be aware that repeated plagiarism will result in a ban. If you want to write a description of the film in your own words, it's on YouTube.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

So,have you considered Godzilla kinda went downhill in the shows series? Just asking. I'd say it did.

Titanollante (talkcontribs)

How so

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

you know, the Godzilla series started out as a knockoff of the beast of 20,000 fathoms, that had to be done as a replacement to a cancelled movie about war in Indonesia. It had various inspirations, tho. The 3 times Japan was exposed to nuclear weapons, in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and in the Marshall Islands. Heck, they all caused nuclear anxiety for years! Fish couldn't even be sold in the last time! When Tomoyuki Tanaka returned from Indonesia, and saw the horrors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He realized how fucked up the city was, as if a monster had destroyed it. That's he he got the idea of Godzilla from. A giant monster who destroyed Tokyo as an act of hate towards humanity, out of anger, outrage, Tanaka and made the movie. And it was a success.

Hedorah's caravan (talkcontribs)

But then it went downhill when Godzilla became a good guy; he became a comedic character who does weird stuff, fighting other monsters and doing stupid shit. Though the series kinda recovered with the Heisei series.

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