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Cloverfield Sourcing and Resources

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Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The roar's definitely been altered, but it's there; you can go ahead and add that info to their pages.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I hate to bring this up but Game is adding untrue information on Clovers page and is continueing to edit war with me

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I've locked the page, but please stop repeating information in these topics that's visible in Recent Changes. That's where I check first.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

im sorry


i just wasnt sure if you actually did see it


i also forgot to add in the triva (i think thats where it should go?)

that the alien in 10CL reused Clovers roar on clovers page.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That can go in Clover's Roar section too.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

You sure?

i could of sworn that stuff like that goes in triva that

X monsters roar was reused for X monster


but i could be wrong

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Roar seems like the logical place to put it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some pages have been inconsistent about that.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I believe the problem was that the reference for the Slash Film article didn't provide a title.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i wanted to add another few things


you gotta source where it was said John was gonna be in god particle ?

also should the Underwater Association be mentioned at all in triva specifically the time Miller kinda called it an inverse cloververse?

and i also think the false "Overlord" rumors should be mentioned as well if i recall that begun when Slashfilm reported that film as such

i have several other things in mind but i didnt want to clutter this post.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

That's the one.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i also had to ask

Les undid my edits on Clover having alternate tab images saying that they hardly looked diffrent but i noticed that clover in TCP has quite a few of Design differences. should it remain just the 2008 image?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The design differences are pretty minor, but the Clover in Paradox has either grown significantly since Cloverfield or is a different creature (and, from a behind-the-scenes point of view, uses a different CG model). I think tabbers are fine.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Does TCP Behind the scenes ever address the monster

i assume it doesnt because it was pretty much a late addition


i do wonder if there is a full model bellow the clouds and wonder if that body has changed any

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I got the DVD out of the library, so I'll take a look. The special features are pretty sparse though.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Update: no mention of the monster, or even the scenes set on Earth.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Man, I wish the truck had made the cut. Michelle would've improvised a working space suit seconds after hopping universes, of course.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

“Though this [is] a future story, there was an opportunity for us to create something that would give license to do things that were simply insane and reality-bending and bizarre, not even just in this movie, but also in the films that have preceded it and those that follow,”


i have to wonder if that direct sequel will ignore this statement Abrams made

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

isn't the void of space like really friggen cold tho?

dunno how effective that woulda been


Decided to rename the topic as well because i plan on inquiring over other things related to the franchise to update the pages with over the course of time.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm kidding.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

So how should the Cloverfield Files be addressed?


its a pretty low quality fan film (the original monsters in it are just guys in full body skin suit things just to give an idea)

However i think it had some notability in the fanbase because we got a cameo of an actual actor from the first film who briefly appears in it Rob to be exact.


i have a sandbox for Rob that mentions it in triva

Les (talkcontribs)

I don't know that it needs a dedicated page, but then again we have one for Megan. Should definitely be mentioned on the future franchise page, at least.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Unrelated but speaking of fan films should Godzilla X The Kaiju Killer get one?

i recall some major memories back in the day and it was pretty notable within the fanbase i think


i also want to update the Zero Hour sandbox at some point but I'm honestly not sure with what since I'm not entirely knowledgeable about that topic.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I think Kaiju Killer qualifies, yeah.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Wait what about zero hour?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Zero Hour was approved already, though it's a tricky one to write about.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I assumed you knew more about it than i did.


the website actually can be found on Archive actually

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Megan set the bar pretty HIGH for a fan film

Cloverfiles in comparison is a lot lower and cruder in quality but still somehow made an official connection to the franchise.

So i honestly just wasnt sure how to address it other than triva on robs page but i could see the franchise page addressing it as well

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

@Astounding Beyond Belief So i just recalled something im not entirely sure where it would go

BUT

The Box the Hasbro Clover came with one of the buildings has a horned figure in its window

the figure i think represents the cult leader from the Kishin Manga.


Building on the Left by the way

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Haven't heard of that before, do you have a picture handy?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Unfortunately i dont but i recall it

i have the box myself but its put up somewhere.


do you happen to have the figure?

EDIT

look at the post bellow

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Nice. That can go in the Trivia sections for Clover and Cloverfield/KISHIN (cite the Reddit post).

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Cloverfield/KISHIN#Triva


i feel i butchered the wording here but i tried my best

i seriously didnt know how to describe it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Not sure how to go about wording it but i will try

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

@Astounding Beyond Belief

Abit unrelated but a New Brush of the god kickstarter appeared but im a bit confused on one part of it that appears to be a new synopsis mind checking it out?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

@Astounding Beyond Belief was Tagruato ever called Tagruato "corporation" at all in official sources or just Tagruato ?


Also does TIDO wave need a page?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Yes, "Tagruato Corporation" is used here at 1:35.

T.I.D.O. Wave could get a page, sure.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Not sure if you knew but you aware the bridge scene has a man that resembles teddy?

as well as the passed out jamie at robs party

i feel i should add that in trivia but i just wanted to check first.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I knew about Jamie, but there doesn't seem to be any confirmation that Teddy is in the movie.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The Special Investigation Mode on the Blu-ray points out Jamie's cameo but not the man on the bridge - I would take that as confirmation that the resemblance is a coincidence.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

You kinda just reapeated the same thing i was telling you which didnt answer the question i was asking.


I said while its unconfirmed there is a resemblance which i feel could be pointed out in triva as long as its specified its unconfirmed.

While they pointed jamie out im not sure if they would point teddy out because he was thought missing and is hard to notice in that crowd.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

The Blu-ray hadn't come out yet when that Cloverfield Clues post was made. A comment on that post talked about how there's no confirmation that Jamie is in the film either; that changed. I call attention to the Special Investigation Mode because it would have been the #1 place for the filmmakers to confirm that Teddy was in the movie, and they didn't.

I'd be fine with Trivia mentioning the speculation as long as it's also made clear that the Special Investigation Mode effectively debunked it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I dont think its Necessarily debunked if the investigation mode didnt address it

You have to consider the mode is supposed to be in-universe and this look alike isnt in direct focus like jamie was

plus he went missing which could had slipped past the radar of whoever made the investigation in-universe

plus i think they would keep a few little things hidden even then.

That just seems like something abrams would do.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Hence "effectively".

Please just write something on the page, we don't need to prediscuss a trivia item this thoroughly :P

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I mean..it IS the cloverfield franchise..overthinking things is kinda a requirement to cover it.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

And on the topic of easter eggs i recalled two things about paradox

The first one was abrams said there was an easter egg fans didnt find yet

But i dont think anyone ever ended up finding it

Secondly Mark Stamblers "Third Floor by the Lamp" thing was never resolved

I assume you recall these as well?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Afraid not, I despise that movie and put it pretty thoroughly out of mind after watching it (except to write the synopsis on this site).

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i hate to ask but do you plan on editing the Tagurato and Cloverfield Franchise Sandboxes at all?

im just asking because i feel a bit overwhelmed a little doing it all by myself.

i was also wanting to know does clover and the parasites need a development section?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i know you are probably busy but whenever you can could you help with this

User:TheCarlosfieldParadox/Sandbox/Tagruato


no offense nor am i trying to be rude to carlos but i just feel he isn't really that helpful in the way its worded is kinda just bad and i legitimately feel i cant clean it up because of how disjointed it feels.

i legitimately feel too overwhelmed to even fix this myself because i have no idea where to begin and its stressing me out.

TheCarlosfieldParadox (talkcontribs)

How am I not really helpful if I'm trying to add more info for the ARG's?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

so bad news.....

the tag website on wayback seems to be totally blank when you try to look for info from 2008 this means we literally cant find the company history at all


what do i even do the cloverfield wiki list info that can no longer be obtained

https://web.archive.org/web/20080301233034/http://www.tagruato.jp/ its just black help

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Unfortunately, you're going to have to turn to blogs like Cloverfield Clues that screenshotted/copied text from the site.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

archive.org can still access Tagruato's History and News pages (perhaps others too, I'll have to explore further). I have no idea why the main page comes up black though.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

YOU ARE A LIFESAVER

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

🍀

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Can the subsidiary pages be accessed?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)
Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)
Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Wouldnt it be impossible?


I tried looking for how to acess flash sites but found nothing helpful.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

There's a browser extension called Ruffle that should do the trick.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

i wanted to add some cloverfield related stuff to timelines


What year does 10cl and paradox take place again?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Paradox takes place in 2028. I don't believe a year is given in 10 Cloverfield Lane, although the ARG might have something.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

I think its 2016 if i recall plus maybe the phone in the films show dates

But im not sure.


Also where do we know where the 2028 is from again?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I misspoke - the movie begins in 2028 (per the ARG, that's when the station launches), but most of it takes place "just over two years" later.

Also, a minor Tagruato victory: the main page, albeit with some links missing and others nonfunctional.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

So does this mean it takes place in 2029 or 2030?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

2030.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Weird how its the same year as singular point which also delt with multiversal physics and well monsters.