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The King of the Monsters

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:The King of the Monsters/Archive 2 on 2019-04-29.

Stats on Kong, MG, etc

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KaijuMan (talkcontribs)

Why were they deleted off the infoboxes? Pretty sure they’re official.

GojiTheKing2019 (talkcontribs)

Idk maybe need actual photo?

SuperZillaRealms (talkcontribs)

They are official. But may be because they need high res scans?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

The booklet from which these stats come is not remotely a reliable source. While the statue it came with may be officially licensed, the information within it is wildly inconsistent and unreliable, and thus not acceptable for an infobox.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Example?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

That makes little to no sense to totally disregard it because of inconsistancies (which have been addressed before on various other pages). if it came with a piece of official merch then it should be treated as such, other pieces of merch have been used as sources for other things to my knowledge.

Official inconsistancies still should be noted elsewhere on the page.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Fix reply button pls

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Exactly.

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

I believe it's official because of that King Ghidorah render on his page, because I never saw that render in any of the media (at least, not in full body)

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

It was already stated it came with official merch, the Inconsistent info should not be disegarded entirely due to this and should be mentioned somewhere on those pages.

Harryhenry (talkcontribs)

I don't know, it seems like a shoehorn to me - relying on some random booklet for important character stats?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Fix the reply button

Harryhenry (talkcontribs)

Best to ask about technical site problems elsewhere.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

I did not mean to indicate that we will pretend this booklet does not exist whatsoever, but the most we will is maybe include notes stating that a dubiously canon booklet gives alternate stats. The figure may have been licensed, but that does not mean Toho or Legendary signed off on or even looked at the accompanying booklet. The booklet is inconsistent with previous stats and seems to have completely invented several of them, and even includes several pieces of fan art. For example the stats it gives for MUTO Prime are suspiciously similar to the ones previously invented for it by Toho Kingdom's fan made KWC.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Its been well established by now that the MonsterVerse as of GvK has plagerized fan-art, (actually they stole fanart in birth of kong as well) the usage of fan-art has no bearing on not mentioning it its still very much accompanied with an offical piece of merch.

The opening of GvK itself gave godzilla stats that was stolen from a dubious fan made thing if i recall.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Reply button still busted

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Yes, but the difference is that the dubious stats in GvK actually appeared in the movie, and even then we do not include them in the actual infobox but only in notes. These stats were pulled out of thin air for this merchandise specifically, and unless they reappear in something else official I don't hold them as particularly compelling.

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Im not against mentioning them in notes as they should be mentioned somewhere, But what about various other instances where Merch is used as a cite to back things up though.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

In other instances like that the merch in question is usually more reliable or backed up by existing material.

KaijuMan (talkcontribs)

How about now?

SuperZillaRealms (talkcontribs)

Then, should this mean that we’re able to include these with no trouble now?

MonsterverseTitan (talkcontribs)

Do you have the link to where you got this screenshot from?

MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Godzilla (Dark Horse) edits

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Don't you want the titles for the entire story line so you can put them in later? And what's wrong with "awakened"?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Will you please stop confronting me over every single time I revert your edits? It is exhausting enough having to comb through every single edit you make, only to have to deal with you angrily posting on my wall afterward. If you must do so it is easier to just keep it contained to one thread than to make several consecutive individual ones. Your edits often consist of arbitrary or unverified changes that you apply to dozens of pages at once, and it is often easier to revert them entirely than to systematically go through and adjust everything. Editing my and other users' sandboxes is also not very helpful, as they are under construction and the final format of the page is not yet determined.

I have continued to ask you to take these factors into consideration, and you continue to behave the same way. Please, I am asking you to just slow down the edits and ease up on the attitude. This is getting very old and exhausting.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong; I'm trying to help me on your sandbox. You let me put on Konga's DVDs, so how is this any different from that?

And everyone knows that Gappa was released in UK theaters as Gappa, the Triphibian Monster. Why remove that one? Even Donald F. Glut mentions this fact in his book The Dinosaur scrapbook (I don't remember which page it was mentioned on. though).

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

We need a citation for Gappa being released in the UK, as I cannot find any mention of it or even a poster.

Some edits to sandboxes are fine, but ones that don't really add information and just alter the formatting when it isn't even fully decided are not very helpful and I remove them until later.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Well, I got it off of IMDb, and I don't think they'd make a mistake on that one. Let me see if I can find a poster for that one, though. I actually remember seeing it in black and white in a paperback monster movie book (I'd know it if I saw it, but I can't remember the title of it off the top of my head) and I know the tagline on the top of it said "Even Mightier than "KING KONG"!" Does anyone out there know the book I'm talking about here? That would sure help.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)
The H-Man (talkcontribs)

The BBFC record uses only "Gappa" as its title.

IIRC, "Gappa" is also the on-screen title of at least one UK pre-cert tape. (It's just the title from Nikkatsu's export version.) But I can't guarantee my memory of that is correct, and that doesn't necessarily mean the VHS was derived from the UK cinema release.

My recommendation is to use "Gappa" as the UK title here. "The Triphibian Monster" is little more than an additional subtitle in the advertisements for the export version, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same in this instance.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I just found the poster I mentioned on IMDb first time out! It's the last photo in the Photos section of their article on the film. I'd know it anywhere! In fact, ABB, the same poster is in the article you linked me to. btw, could you please link me up to Parts 1 and 2 of that article, if you don't mind? Maybe also switch all four parts to my talk page? I wouldn't want to impose on this one.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It's actually a five-part series, all on the same site; just click the Home button and scroll down.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Okay, H-Man, I've put in Gappa as the UK title in the article "Gappa (film)". Hope this helps.

1st Anguirus and Showa Rodan in games

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MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

1: I'm pretty sure that's the 55 Anguirus on Monster of Monsters considering how he looks and his carapace appearance.

2.Same for the Showa Rodan games I added, considereing that most of those games were released before 1993.

Godzilland Kong

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MechaniKongZilla (talkcontribs)

Are you guys sure that's not 62 Kong? Considering his appearance barely identical?

List of Godzilla Defense Force edits on the Monster Waves

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I got those edits from Toho Kingdom. Please put them back.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Those are just the names TK uses for those creatures, as far as I can tell they are not official.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Then you might want to do the same thing in the "List of minor Toho monsters" thread, too, if you wish to do so. I'll leave that one up to you.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I asked Toho Kingdom about this. So far, no answer, but I'll keep you posted.

Personally, I don't think they made the Monster Waves' names up. I mean, they've got everything there is to know about this game, right down to the smallest detail. I think this should be taken into consideration here, if nothing else.

Les (talkcontribs)

TK's page for the waves mentions them being given names in the game's files. They note that, "the hornet is the only enemy among the monster waves that doesn't have "giant" as part of their name. This could be a mistake, but it's how the name appears in the game files."

They also have trivia about the Giant Eagles sharing their name with the one from All Monsters Attack. If it was just a name they made up, I don't see why they'd have trivia about it being the same as something else. I assume all the names they're using are from the game files.

Harryhenry (talkcontribs)

Fan sites and wikis have had cases of people just making information up: Remember the story of Jordan Minor, the kid who made up information about the '90s cartoon Street Sharks? I don't think what TK likely did is malicious, but it's worth keeping in mind that fans on sites like this do often come up with nicknames that are spread around, often mistake as "official" by others.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

TK making the names up isn't even misinformation, that's just what they chose to call the creatures. They never said that those are the official names, that's just what they call them. It's as "official" as the descriptive names we use for them on the site. There's no reason for us to copy their names or vice-versa.

Unused G:TS monsters edit

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Isn't Megalon supposed to be a cyborg monster, just like Gigan is?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

No, he is an organic creature. Anatomy photos and informational books show that his drills, while made of metal, are not cybernetic enhancements, but naturally-evolved body parts.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Thanks, I didn't know that.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

I think "back on track" is meant here; I've never heard it said "back on task". Or should it say "back to his task"?

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

"Back on task" is a common phrase that refers to returning to one's task after a distraction. There's no reason to change it.

Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Thanks, honestly never heard of that phrase.

Removal of years of release of films

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Daimajin1966 (talkcontribs)

Why are some of the years of release I put on many films here being removed?

Zillaman98 (talkcontribs)

Because it is pretty Unnecessary to list release years next every mention of various films.

The King of the Monsters (talkcontribs)

Years are only included with movie titles in page titles, filmographies, and in instances where there is another film with the same title and it is necessary to disambiguate.

Why is every Godzilla movie getting edited?

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Mechagodzilla2008 (talkcontribs)

I don't even have a problem with it lol, i just wanna know.

Cryptocleidus edits

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Acrimega (talkcontribs)

You argued that because the majority of contemporary sources use the other spelling of the name, it is deliberate and therefore the definitive version. What is the case for it being deliberately spelled that way, rather than being misspelled from another source? Is it not a possibility that the majority of sources had unknowingly spread the misspelled version instead? Is the Sci-Fi Japan Guide treated as a less-credible source despite using the spelling that engenders proper pronunciation?

I think it's better to use the spelling that is more accurate to the show and how the characters pronounce it. I do not think the proliferation of an improperly-spelled, and by consequence improperly-pronounced, version of the name is grounds for treating it as the authoritative version of the name. If my friend's name was "Pieter", but the majority of records continued to misspell his name as "Peter", I'd still use "Pieter" because that is the proper way to spell and say it. And this is a case where the difference in pronunciation is a lot more subtle.

Les (talkcontribs)

Here is a breakdown of how the sources work out for the different spellings:

Cryptocleidus

  • SciFi Japan series guide (2006)

Cryptocledius

Cryptcledius

Cryptoclidus

  • Godzilla: The Series - The Monster Wars DVD subtitles (1999)

As you can see, it's a bit of a mess, but the SFJ article is literally the only source we could find that says "Cryptocleidus." The Crypto- part is sometimes misspelled as "Crypt-" but the -cledius ending nonetheless stays consistent. The pronunciation in the show is more like the real-life Cryptoclidus, which is confirmed by those subtitles for Monster Wars: Part 2. I see no reason that the SFJ article should be treated as gospel and all the other more contemporaneous sources be ignored just because it's a nicer spelling.

Acrimega (talkcontribs)

At that point why not use the real-life spelling used in the DVD subtitles? I get that subtitles can be wrong, but reading "cledius" is not the same as reading "cleidus", you kinda need the "ei" in there to make the name sound like the real-life spelling. The "nicer spelling" in this case at least gets you to pronounce it like how the characters in the show use it. I'm willing to concede that I made a mistake then, using treating "ei" as definitive. I think that using the wrong spelling, which leads people to pronounce the name differently from how the characters say it, because it consistently shows up more often shouldn't be used to treat it as the definitive version.